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A lot of messaging systems try to reinvent the email system but many (signal, matrix, xmpp) took over one key traditional design which we actually dropped while retaining SMTP/IMAP compatibility: server-controlled identities.

With #chatmail user identities are cryptographic and reside on end user devices only. Servers are only message relays and have no control over identities or chats, only perform fast message routing. See this fosdem talk by one of our lead developers mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/202…

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Dandelion
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looks pretty cool but when will you add deniability? (jk) That guy was annoying.
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I looked at this, and will use it, but am not quite ready. I am hoping I can get it to work with my own mailserver as the relay.
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nathanael
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this reminds me of #nostr. what happens when a user looses the key on the device, is the identity gone?
#nostr
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@nathanael when you loose the last copy of your chat profile then the identity is gone and unrecoverable. However, you can always create a tar file in settings - chats and media - export, or you can setup a second device. Each device is autonomous and does not depend on the original one.
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nathanael
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what happens when the identity is compromised? someone got the keys, is there a way to recover from that?
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🌱🏴‍🅰️🏳️‍⚧️🐧📎 Ambiyelp
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Reminds me of SimpleX, if you can add quantum-resistant encryption and easy multi profile management and throwaway (incognito) profiles like simplex then the privacy and anonymity features would probably be on par and I'd consider switching to get away from the far right dev team.

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #SimpleX #DeltaChat #QuantumResistantEncryption #FarRight

#FLOSS #privacy #deltachat #e2ee #farright #simplex #psa #anonymity #quantumresistantencryption
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Vivekanandan KS (vivek)
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I'm not an expert on these, but this feels very much like what nostr people have achieved. Like identity sovereign and servers are just relays. Something like that. Maybe u should check those out and collab if possible
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@rocking_horse @vivekanandanks two typical p2p messenger problems get remediated by having relays:
- if the receiver's device is offline, you can use a relay to store the messages until it comes online
- relays can help with network restrictions obstructing a p2p connection in ~30% of connections.
So relays are necessary if users expect a messenger which *just works*.
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ok but ... can we use #DeltaChat w/o the relayers if we do not have problem with connection to the network or we solved this problem other way? Or with other relayers not dedicated to #DeltaChat that can store and forwatd the messages? I expect to free the communication from unneeded dependencies.
#deltachat
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🌈 Lascapi ⁂
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Hi @delta
You wrote :
> With #chatmail user identities are cryptographic and reside on end user devices only

Is it similar as the solution developed by #Jami #hubzilla #simplex or #nostr ? A kind of p2p with relay network?

#nostr #simplex #chatmail #jami #hubzilla @Delta Chat
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