With DeltaChat the message "Establishing guaranteed end-to-end encryption, please wait" happens because the other end has to accept my chat?

@delta

#deltachat #askfedi

Trying #DeltaChat for a few days. But it cannot fulfill one mandatory use case for me : synchronization on more that 2 devices.

Sorry @delta, but for now, I'll remain with @signalapp and @session (and XMPP of course 😉) !

Good job for your work anyway. It's promising.

I noticed the upcoming chatmail ‘relays’ feature in #deltachat. Changing the relay in the app (version 2.33) seems really easy, fantastic!

@delta I was wondering (for a friend) if there will be any publicly available relays published as a *#tor #onion service* as well? In combination with the app’s proxy support this would be awesome for any user’s #privacy.

#deltachat PSAs regarding the last 24 hours:

1) If you messaged someone about 20-30 hours ago, and did not get an expected response/receipt better "resend" (long-tap or right-click the message to resend). Unfortunately, not all queued messages at the crashing nine.testrun.org server made it to the new one.

2) 2.33+ app releases are rolling out, supporting using "multiple relays" so that failing relays (like happened above) will not cause lost messages anymore. See support.delta.chat/t/how-to-mi…

RE: chaos.social/@thefinalstrawrad…

Another nice surprise! A careful discussion and appreciation of our almost 8-year long running efforts, and its #deltachat and #chatmail artifacts. The "Signal contingency plan" comes complete with podcast, website and zine!

The Final Straw Radio (@thefinalstrawradio@chaos.social)

Attached: 1 image Our chat with Mary & Fanny, two independent technologists, on contingency for "what if Signal were blocked in the US" and their suggestion: @delta https://thefinalstrawradio.noblogs.

^{The Final Straw Radio (chaos.social)}

#AskFedi, Is there a way I can send messages through #DeltaChat from a script, so that I could use it for sending myself notifications (e.g., reminders) from a separate Delta account?

/cc #CLI, #commandline, #scripting, @delta

Just reading up on #DeltaChat and it does look interesting as a possible signal alternative. Even deploying your own relay seems easy too. Anybody here using it and has any positive feedback ? I mean share if you've negative too as it'll all be gratefully received by all.

delta.chat/en/

Delta Chat: Delta Chat, decentralized secure messenger

Delta Chat is a decentralized and secure messenger app 💬 Reliable instant messaging with multi-profile and multi-device support ⚡️ Sign up to secure and interoperable chatmail relays 🥳 Interactive ...

^delta.chat

A few things #deltachat apps are doing positively different from #Signal apps

- easiest onboarding ever; not depending on phone numbers or other private data

- support for multiple chat profiles/identities

- decentralized servers, not depending on US-based GAFAM etc.

- migration from one app/platform to any other

- easy multi-device support for any chat profile

- developers have chances to get their PRs merged :)

- mini-apps support via webxdc.org

anything missing?

webxdc - web apps shared in a chat

no logins, no coins, no platforms 🎉

^webxdc.org

#Telegram has a nice and fast UI, granted.

But the 1 billion people using TG are at risk because of its big central database that any state security service craves for. Moreover, several anonymization proxy-bot offerings were hacked in 2024, identifying millions of users and content.

#deltachat builds anonymization directly into the app and has pervasive end-to-end encryption. #chatmail relay operators can sleep well, knowing they have nothing. Ergo, E2EE is good for any operators sleep! :)

I love #deltachat at first-sight few days ago, like I was love #telegram at first sight around twelve years ago.

Only one thing I missed on deltachat now, there's no simple library to create deltachat bot using #nodejs, like telegraf for telegram.

You forgot #DeltaChat, which is an excellent alternative to WhatsApp.

@delta

from a random community chat: "#Telegram secret chats exist so you can share your #deltachat QR/link to get off Telegram 😇"

In related news, Arte published a well-done documentary film about "Telegram, the dark empire of Pawel Durov" up (german audio only) arte.tv/de/videos/122721-000-A… -- it's a dive into various TG happenings during the last decades, biographical origins of telegram development, the durov brothers etc..

Telegram - Das dunkle Imperium von Pawel Durow - Die ganze Doku | ARTE

Letzte Bastion der Meinungsfreiheit oder Spielwiese für Extremisten und Kriminelle? Am Messenger-Dienst Telegram scheiden sich die Geister. Genau wie an seinem mysteriösen Gründer, dem Tech-Milliardär Pawel Durow.

^ARTE

Great news: DeltaTouch (@deltatouch), a #DeltaChat client created for #UbuntuTouch, is now available on #Flathub!

flathub.org/en/apps/page.codeb…

We've updated our listing linuxphoneapps.org/apps/page.c… accordingly, and would love to see more apps for Ubuntu Touch land on Flathub (and thus be available for #postmarketOS, #Mobian, #Droidian) - the flatpak manifest may help github.com/flathub/page.codebe… .

Install DeltaTouch on Linux | Flathub

Decentralized, secure messenger app, powered by the chatmail core library

^Flathub

DeltaTouch is finally available on Flathub, made possible by @ell1e and @d2weber. Thank you very much 🥰

Thanks also to the folks at @flathub for the excellent review and for providing this wonderful platform.

flathub.org/en/apps/page.codeb…

Please check it out and let us know if you run into issues, preferably by reporting it in this forum thread: support.delta.chat/t/feedback-…

#DeltaTouch #DeltaChat #Flathub #flatpak

Install DeltaTouch on Linux | Flathub

Decentralized, secure messenger app, powered by the chatmail core library

^Flathub

elegiría mejor #DeltaChat

Quedó comprobado que #Signal utiliza los servidores de Amazon que, al momento de sufrir un colapso, la mensajería quedaría fuera de servicio.

@largo some user-visible differences to Signal:

- onboarding with #deltachat is among the fastest in the industry

- easy to create multiple chat profiles

- multi-device setup and export/import are easy, also between different platforms

- no phone number needed so eg children can participate without forcing a SIM card on them, and without making them discoverable anywhere

- shopping lists, travel checklists, and games like Wonster (a wordle-clone) or Tetris are available for group fun

Signal just released a "poll" feature with great fanfare, while all #deltachat apps already integrated a full suite of chat-shared apps, checklists, polls, shopping lists, calendar, editor + tons of games.

Better, anyone can create new apps, eg as github/codeberg forks from existing apps, and post it to their chats for instant deployment. No need to ask for permission, register an account, and no hosting or DNS: actually "server-less" and fully end-to-end encrypted :)

webxdc.org/apps

Any data that is collected on servers will eventually leak or be abused otherwise.

By design, no one can enumerate #deltachat profiles which are private and not published on any server. Conversely, #chatmail relays do not see or collect private data or metadata.

But wait, there is more :)

We are currently evolving end-to-end security protocols and UX to **survive an attacker fully taking over a server**. The attacker shall not even be able to message users, let alone impersonate anyone.