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A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_af…

No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

a screenshot of the Substack page for Andrew Tate with a window on top that reads: "Andrew Tate is a Substack Bestseller" and below: Andrew Tate is #8 Rising in News with hundreds of paid subscribers

legal issues of Andrew and Tristan Tate

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Jan Wildeboer 😷
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Calling Substack the SS is kinda harsh, but justified in my opinion :)
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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@jwildeboer I only abbreviated their name... pretty apt if you ask me... I also call Bluesky "BS" 🙊
@Jan Wildeboer 😷
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codebuzz
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@jwildeboer ok, this last one I wholeheartedly agree to.

Instead of condemning a site or platform, because of one user is kinda.. childish.

So, Tate lives on earth, we should all go to mars or somewhere?

Live and let live. This kind of attention, makes them more visible, makes you a part of your own 'problem?'.

Reminder, it's 2026.. is this the best way to invest energy for something greater. It's easy, but.. better?

Just saying.

@Jan Wildeboer 😷
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Jan Wildeboer 😷
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@codebuzz It’s not just one misogynistic guy or just one fascist. It’s also the publicly expressed support by the leadership of Substack to be open to these people. @_elena has my full support for calling them out on this.
@Elena Rossini ⁂ @codebuzz
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Stijn van Drongelen
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@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net On top of that: even if it's "only" one fascist, if you don't chase them away, you'll end up with a nazi bar. So yes, it is a good idea to invest energy into this phenomenon, @codebuzz@indieweb.social. "Laten we het gezellig houden" is exactly how these undercurrents can fester and grow.
@Jan Wildeboer 😷 @codebuzz
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Juffo-Wup
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@stiiin @jwildeboer @codebuzz

"even if it's "only" one fascist"

It isn't. SS (thanks for the abbreviation 😁) is full of those.
Tate is only one of many, and it has been a problem for a long time with SS suppoti that kind of people.

@Jan Wildeboer 😷 @codebuzz @Stijn van Drongelen
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Noodlemaz
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@codebuzz @jwildeboer it's not about one user, 'just saying' - JAQing off, more like. Don't do this.
He's an example. Even if it were just him, why would you want to share a platform with a rapist?
@Jan Wildeboer 😷 @codebuzz
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Dave Everitt
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The line for me is between "free speech" and deliberately divisive "hate speech". The former we tolerate, even if we disagree, the latter should be subjected to the law or - where that fails - deliberate action to call it out and limit its spread. Especially when it's from sources already known to have committed crimes.
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Loohoosaher
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warms my heart to see this post. I *still* see many allies, even on the fediverse, using and boosting SS newsletters.
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hamish campbell
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@hwll

To be more useful I would point at the need to boycott #dotcons in general, yes use one as an example, but the bigger evil matters more than the individual evil.

#dotcons @Loohoosaher
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Petra van Cronenburg
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Please be aware that we have an #EuropeanAlternative based in Germany: #Steady - steady.page
I use them for years and am very satisfied, great for EU-conform invoices.
Like Patreon and other services where you can also earn money, of course, they also take a fee (only) on paid subscriptions.

The problem why so many people don't leave Substack: They get new readers from the platform. The smaller the platform, the fewer readers you get

#newsletter #blogging #journalism


Steady – You create. We take care of the rest.

Start your newsletter or membership on Steady – simple tools, real experts, and a team that grows with you. Get started for free now.
Steady
#journalism #newsletter #blogging #steady #europeanalternative
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S.Tori
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and isn't the situation with Substack such that you can migrate your profile to a different platform rather than starting over? I still think platform migration fatigue is not given enough credit for being a legitimate excuse, but sticking to platforms that can migrate is a good idea.
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Elena Rossini ⁂
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@Torithom ABSOLUTELY!

I had 2 Substack newsletters years ago and I simply exported my subscriber list and moved to Ghost. It took a few minutes. Easy peasy. That's why I say there are ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSES.

Ghost even offers a free concierge service for moving subscribers (incl. paid) off of Substack: ghost.org/move-to-ghost/


Ghost migration Service

Migrate your data to Ghost with help from our migration team. We'll help you move your content, subscribers, members and payments. For free.
Ghost - The Professional Publishing Platform
@S.Tori

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WTL
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@Torithom @camless I suspect there is a small business model here; $50 to handle it for the folks for whom this feels too complicated (easy for *us*, but not them).
@Cadmus @S.Tori
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Mário Melo (Guma)
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I made the change recently and decided to self-host. Besides endorsing these blogs the reading experience was a mess and was getting worse everyday.
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Veza85UE
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Ahem.

eupolicy.social/@Veza85UE/1164…

(Non-zero chance that if someone contacts him and pitches PeerTube and Ghost as 🇪🇺 Sovereignty he'll give it a go, lol.)

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Tanek Rune
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I still side-eye those who post to Substack. There's just a non-zero chance that they think my rights to exist without violence or discrimination isn't important the way their newsletters are.

I don't follow Substack links, it feels like the digital equivalent to wandering down the alleyway with a hate group meeting every few doors and hoping to come out the other side without them noticing me.

It's uncomfortable knowing a few posts down, someone is questioning whether I should be forcibly put in a conversion camp or some shit. Or outright calling for driving people like me out of their community.

The responses made by Substack definitely haven't helped any in making me think I'm welcome as their audience unless I want to put myself in a position to see horrendous "takes" like "God needs to smite these [slurs]."

TL;DR: I consider Substack to basically be a digital sundown town. No thanks, I'll go where I'm welcome.

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Duckbilled Plattypus.
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I believe "Tate" is correctly pronounced "Taint".

I avoid reading Substack for this reason. It would be nice if the writers who rightly decry the empowerment of fascism and its targeting of the vulnerable weren't using the same site that explicitly does just that.

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Matthew Mamet
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Ghost is the one I'd push hardest on that list. I moved my practice blog there about a year ago - setup is straightforward, you own your subscriber list outright, and the SEO tooling is solid enough that I stopped needing a separate layer on top. The one honest caveat: the theme customization requires comfort with code. For most writers though, the defaults are good enough to ship immediately.
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Fazal Majid
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@msmamet
The blocker that is preventing writers from moving away from Substack is not technical migration issues, it's that they can reasonably expect their audience growth to stalll or even reverse when they leave the platform. Substack is good at cross-promoting, just as Medium or Tumblr were back in their day.

We don't have to like Substack to recognize this fact. I loathe the company for its Medium-esque hostile dark pattern-laden design, even before we discuss the fact it platforms actual Nazis.

Until there is an effective alternative solution to this discovery and audience acquisition problem, they will stay put on Substack despite any disquiet over the platform.

@Matthew Mamet
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Petra van Cronenburg
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@fazalmajid But it’s precisely the high-profile prominent accounts that could leave at any moment, because they’re so well-known that their fans will follow them wherever they go. And they do promote their newsletters via social media, after all.
If they go - Substack would loose big amounts of money.

@msmamet @_elena

@Elena Rossini ⁂ @Fazal Majid @Matthew Mamet
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Ronan
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I‘ve just replaced a Substack link with the same article posted on Medium
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Curmudgeon
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Yeah, I'm not happy about Nazi's, racists, etc. on Substack, but they also have Rick Wilson, HCR, Joyce Vance, and other fine progressives - some of the most important Antifa voices of this generation. I'll pass on the boycott. Let others see what Andrew Tate is all about. That's what we call free speech.
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Allen but one of the good ones
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"with hundreds of paid subscribers" is enough to get lauded as a Bestseller? Or only if you're that guy?

I'm convinced :(

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ЯØ81И
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Thought that read Substack Bellend 🤣
get my new glasses next week, so unfortunately in this instance I won't make that mistake again, sadly
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:verified:
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idk but for me substack have been my go to go app .. depends what u are into though.. check the link on my profile maybe
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Mike Smale
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Also, as a side note, I've seen a ton of homophobia and transphobia on Medium getting monetized as of late so that's another one to start avoiding.
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Evan
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I believe there’s space for anyone in the world to express their ideas, in Tate’s case the space inside a rubbish bin. Any respectable platform would never accept to profit from his disgusting and harmful propaganda, but then again Substack is not a respectable one.
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Scotty Trees
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real shame so many journalists still use substack, but you do you. i'm purging myself of most news stuff. it's just too depressing and too stupid and it isn't helping my mental health at all
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Knightmare
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today I learned 'Substack' is a thing, I'm boycotting it as of now.
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Veronica Olsen
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@hwll I filter Mastodon posts that link to Substack, but with a note so that I can see that they're filtered. It both keeps me from giving them any traffic, and reminds me of who's still using that site. It's depressing to see when it's people I feel should know better. 😒
@Loohoosaher
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winstonsmith
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yeah this! feel like i've been beating this drum solo.

thanks for reminding people!

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Danneau
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Michael DeAdder is on Substack. I'm torn, as he's so good, and they're so bad. Ditto for Heather Cox Richardson. I wonder if they're blissfully ignorant (seems unlikely) or are they tied in through the wonders of an extended contract?
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Moss Wizard
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finding several accounts to block in the replies here, saying “free speech” or “just ignore the baddies” or “SS is fine for me”. There’s even one who I’m pretty sure searched on the word Substack just to promote theirs!
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Dopes The Frogman
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we don't want to be open to human garbage like Andrew Taint and bigots. They do not deserve to be heard, only put down, like great aunt Hilda after she went berserk from fighting that rabid squirrel.
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dirtside
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Beehiiv is a typical SV startup funded by VCs and exploiting the labor of its workers. I'd avoid it. (Ghost is a nonprofit and the software itself is free if you want to host it yourself instead of using their hosting service)
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grrl_aex
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i have never given any money to substack so idk if that counts as 'boycotting" or not.

As for their free speech policy, it is lifted directly from the ALCU fwiw:

aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/…


Defending Speech We Hate

The record demonstrates the ACLU’s unwavering commitment to First Amendment rights for all.
David Cole (American Civil Liberties Union)
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Veronica Explains
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I've noticed a lot of folks have no idea what "Substack" is. They see a newsletter. It has information they agree with. They sign up. They don't think about it beyond that.

Basically, if we want to take a bite out of the SS, I think we need to educate folks on what the uniform looks like.

IMO that has to go hand-in-hand with reaching out to writers in our lives and encouraging them to look at alternatives.

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The Bird
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Another alternate is the worker collective that is comradery: comradery.co/

Comradery

Collect money from your subscribers on a cooperatively owned platform
www.comradery.co
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libramoon
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we're policing our own platform, demanding tptb unNazi
don't take away the income of many excellent journalists and progressive voices because you think we can't manage our own Nazis
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Sharon of the Strange Times
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Patreon is terrible - they take a big chunk and lock people in without a clean exit. Not a good alternative. Maybe everyone should leave Twitter first. Hell of a lot more fascists there. But people can’t seem to quit.
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Hé, rouelibre ?
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So we oughta boycott many whole families, coffee shops, neighborhoods, countries and, yeah, planets altogether keeping the "logic".
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TamaraPNW
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Humans are loathsome. What you describe happens 🌎

The apps you cite as “good” have 👹 using them, too. We just haven’t turned over those 🪨 🪨 yet

But, fact: US constitutional law has always protected the speech you don’t like/accept, including *some* Nazi speech 🤷🏽‍♀️

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National…

Canceling Substack means the Nazis win.

Staying offers counterpoint, benefits those “making good trouble”✊🏽

I’ve never run into Nazi posts, but if I do, I’ll change the channel/block⚡️🫥

1977 United States Supreme Court case

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TamaraPNW
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@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net @codebuzz that’s not how US free speech law works, however, and Substack is an American company.

Also, given what we know about other 👹 like Epstein, it’s clear that these vermin exist everywhere, famous or not, wealthy or not. Even in 🇫🇷

It’s naive to think canceling one app will rid the planet of hate. It will just move somewhere else. 🤷🏽‍♀️

@codebuzz
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Poindex76
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When the fantastic @europeanspodcast started their newsletter on Substack, they shared with their podcast followers their anguished reasoning, which boiled down to finances, a critical thing for them. They thought that Substack’s infrastructure would enable them to grow a following faster than would happen on other platforms. I hope that after they feel a bit more financially secure, they’ll be able to transition to another platform. They do understand the objections to Substack.
@The Europeans
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Kolja
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you can always selfhost with Ghost, no reason to support shit like substack
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Dawid Wiktor
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People can self-host Ghost or WordPress, which I strongly recommend. It makes no sense to support websites cozying up with far right and sexual predators.
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The Europeans
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We hear you. We have no plans to activate paid subscriptions on Substack; at the moment we're just using it to grow our audience. We're absolutely pro moving if having a newsletter ever becomes primarily about earning, rather than about helping people to find us!
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Matthew Mamet
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Just saw this announce from Ghost today and made me think of this thread. ghost.org/changelog/digital-pu…

Ghost is now a digital public good

Ghost has been reviewed and is now recognized by the Digital Public Goods Alliance (DPGA) as a digital public good.
John O'Nolan (Changelog)
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