Wonder how many new Fediverse users this drives….? cc: @fediversenews
https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/15/elon-musk-plans-to-charge-new-x-users-to-enable-posting/
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Wonder how many new Fediverse users this drives….? cc: @fediversenews
https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/15/elon-musk-plans-to-charge-new-x-users-to-enable-posting/
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Michael Fisher
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •SomeGadgetGuy
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •💠 Dave No One 💠
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Glitzersachen.de
in reply to 💠 Dave No One 💠 • • •@dans_root
They would and they will, but this will then ring the till at chez Musk, so is pleasing to the Lord and Master of Xitter.
Free speech is not about humans, you have to understand, but means you can freely buy access at a reasonable price.
💠 Dave No One 💠
in reply to Glitzersachen.de • • •Glitzersachen.de
in reply to 💠 Dave No One 💠 • • •This being the internet: You are aware of the (dark) sarcasm in my previous reply?
danimrich
in reply to 💠 Dave No One 💠 • • •Seems like it would add some friction for them, especially if X keeps the credit card number on file and only permits one or two accounts per card. Also, I don't think X will refund the fee if it shuts down a spam bot.
@tchambers @fediversenews
Szymon Nowicki
in reply to danimrich • • •danimrich
in reply to Szymon Nowicki • • •Effectively this means that X can base its decision whether a user is real or a bot on 3 months of behavioural data. But who knows, maybe he'll require a credit card number nevertheless.
@dans_root @fediversenews
Shadow, First of His Name
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •A paid centralized social network, this definitely will drive low-income users for alternatives.
That's fixing AI and bots problem and users have to pay? Great strategy...not.
Laurens Hof
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •I think the real impact here is in the medium term from the perspective of gov organisations. Its getting really hard to use a platform for primary communications if users (even if only new accounts) have to pay to actually see the news youre posting
makes advocacy to help gov orgs transition towards fedi platforms significantly easier
alastair87
in reply to Laurens Hof • • •william.maggos
in reply to Laurens Hof • • •we might win solely because our design lets people escape the AI algo content flood death loop.
alastair87
in reply to william.maggos • • •william.maggos
in reply to alastair87 • • •but we'd block them just like we do spammers and trolls.
alastair87
in reply to william.maggos • • •C.W. Smith
in reply to alastair87 • • •@alastair
@fediversenews @wjmaggos @laurenshof @tchambers
Maybe, we could look at the recent spam attack that hit the federated network for some guidance on how we could get around it.
I am building bot accounts on my instances meant to syndicate content from my web pages I am building. I set the Bot checkmark because it's the responsible thing to do.
Surely there might be ways to identify a bot on an account that isn't advertising what it is in such a way.
alastair87
in reply to william.maggos • • •I fully predict that AI bots will soon be at a point where one of us here could be one and the other party wouldn't realise. I don't think it's remotely likely they stay at the simple repetitive level they are now. Then they can be used to join in with things like political arguments or incidentally refer to products in a way that a human might but is actually product placement.
This also raises the problem of blocking innocent humans by mistake.
C.W. Smith
in reply to alastair87 • • •@alastair
@fediversenews @wjmaggos @laurenshof @tchambers
I want to dispute this, but then I remember the AI Vtuber Neuro-Sama and wonder really how close what you bring up actually is.
alastair87
in reply to C.W. Smith • • •william.maggos
in reply to alastair87 • • •@alastair @laurenshof @CWSmith
I don't doubt that y'all will be correct at some point but by then, we might not be able to trust anybody we can't smell. video and audio will be fake too. our biggest problem won't be social media related.
alastair87
in reply to william.maggos • • •Arena Cops 🇺🇦✌
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Elon, master of Stupid EconomiX at work. 🙄💸💸💸💸
#MuskSuX #X_it #StupidEconomiX
C.W. Smith
Unknown parent • • •@Jonathanglick
@tchambers @fediversenews
Maybe,
But those users will probably pay the money.
Truth is that the more reliant they are on user charges, the less influence Advertisers might have over the service. They still get a benefit from ads on X, but don't get as much say over what is put up.
Which to me is a net good over all.
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Tim Chambers
Unknown parent • • •Dark Photon Studio
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Dark Photon Studio
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Bragg
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Trantion
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •C.W. Smith
Unknown parent • • •@Jonathanglick
Which makes perfect sense. Not everyone is gonna have that back up card they use only for certain things like that.
The nucensse factor definitely is gonna be an issue all around.
But the Bot issue is pretty bad on the centralized networks as well. And I don't know a good answer on that one. I help on some Facebook Messenger chats and we get bombarded daily with porn bots.
It may not be the best idea of how to fix the issue, but at least the discussion is being had there.
WhiteCatTamer
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •M.S. Bellows, Jr.
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Dallas (Join Something IRL)
in reply to M.S. Bellows, Jr. • • •I'm 1000% for this. This might just finally be the thing that breaks twitters hold on people.
cowvin
in reply to M.S. Bellows, Jr. • • •Saxnot
in reply to M.S. Bellows, Jr. • • •Mr. Bruno :verified:
in reply to Saxnot • • •Saxnot
in reply to Mr. Bruno :verified: • • •Saxnot
in reply to Saxnot • • •I forgot this isn't a walled off group. I wonder how many cents one requires for an x stock
Saxnot
in reply to Saxnot • • •@mrbruno @msbellows 40,82 USD.
So perhaps only buy a 1/4000 split and feast on the shareholder meeting buffet.
Although I assume Elmo will only provide potluck and skip on the hotel room bill. You ain't staying rich by paying money.
Ugh
In other words, i don't know.
Everyone not pretending to be elon is able to edit all posts pretending to be elon.
And lootboxes when you login every hour
Saxnot
in reply to Saxnot • • •@mrbruno @msbellows pay for more than 280 characters
like a flat rate
for every next 140 chars like a few cents and for a similar price offer audio conference with up to one other participant.
Glitzersachen.de
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Not that I need people here who have so far been holding out on twitter. Whatever kept them there, it is unlikely they will find it here and then, boy, will they be in a bad mood.
Then they'll explain wide and high, how we should make Mastodon more welcoming (to them ...). And that it's all our fault that they don't like it here. Then they'll fly over to blsky-
helplessduck
in reply to Glitzersachen.de • • •@glitzersachen
I agree that it will just discourage folks from joining any social media or send them to bsky, etcetera. They may try the fedi, but there's enough of a learning curve to make it not worth it to a lot of folks, plus we've got being such unwelcoming, insufferable jerks going for us. 🙄
My money says one of these things will moderate any uptick in users.
@tchambers @fediversenews
Figgy Sticky 🍉 🔻
in reply to helplessduck • • •I didn't expect mastodon's learning curve to be such a deterrent to broad adoption, but since it is, I'm glad it's there.
helplessduck
in reply to Figgy Sticky 🍉 🔻 • • •@figstick
I don't know for sure if that's a real thing, but I imagine it must play some part. I imagine those who make it over the hump but, for whatever reason, don't do any work to make their social graphs interesting are the ones who whine about "unwelcoming." Sometimes if you back-read, those new users got chided at some early point for behaving like this *is* twitter and they're butt-hurt because they have to assimilate into common decency.
@glitzersachen @tchambers @fediversenews
alastair87
in reply to Glitzersachen.de • • •Sean C.
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Drew Mochak
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •@Jonathanglick 100%
Pretty sure Elon's whole play with twitter is to get people to give him their credit cards so he can claim that the rest of the personal info he is selling is accurate, since that info needs to stay up to date in order to process payments. The rest is just catnip for clicks.
Corporation 9592
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Look, everyone knows where this is going.
Yet somehow, Musk has managed to convince the desperate, the gullible and the ignorant that the painful, persistent anal intrusion they are experiencing is essential to their business and personal well being.
Payup bitches!!
Lucinda Catchlove
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in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Figgy Sticky 🍉 🔻
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Adam Dalliance
Unknown parent • • •Yep. He really wants everyone to connect their bank account to the shitposting site he bought so he can call it an everything app and try and skim user to user payments.
Father Enoch
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •LA Legault ✌🏻
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •@WJBL
Mastodon is getting a bad rep over there
Richard W. Woodley NO THREADS 🇨🇦🌹🚴♂️📷 🗺️
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Travis F W
in reply to Richard W. Woodley NO THREADS 🇨🇦🌹🚴♂️📷 🗺️ • • •[nate@social0 ~]$ :idle:
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in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Amit Serper :donor:
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Brandon 🇨🇦 😷 5×💉
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •> [...] new accounts would be able to post after three months of creation without paying a fee.
This just means the bot farms have to put three months planning into their attacks. Create the accounts, leave them dormant for three months, then activate. So, really, it's not going to solve anything.
Blake Leonard
in reply to Brandon 🇨🇦 😷 5×💉 • • •SpaceLifeForm
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •No surprise.
You will have to pay to be a member of the cult.
hybrid havoc :1m: :rm:
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Margret Kuarell
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •a lot of people made pretty clear they don't want them over here ...
@fediversenews
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Cody Dostal :unverified:
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •argv minus one
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •> While replying to another user, Musk later added that new accounts would be able to post after three months of creation without paying a fee.
Thereby proving that the bot excuse is a lie. Bots can easily wait 3 months before they begin doing their thing.
John Mastodon
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Hunterrules
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in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Tim Chambers
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •alastair87
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •M.S. Bellows, Jr.
Unknown parent • • •AOL is part of the Yahoo family of brands
www.aol.comwernie
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Krupo
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •this is silly.
I was telling @mainframed767 that I've seen this problem addressed in simpler ways.
WeChat is fighting the same bot problem.
Solution?
In person verification of a new user by an existing user who scans their "I verify you as real" QR code. To prevent abuse you can only get one person a month or quarter. No payment needed.
If you have no friends to vet you, you can supply a payment card. No charge required. Just set it up on file. Of course they'll encourage you to then use their app's payment platform but that's just clever business.
Bill Lamb
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Kerfuffle
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •André, R.I.P. Natenom 🕯️🖤
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •marginal to none?
The ones left on shitter, stay because it is single instance and they have a base reach.
So it will be either threads or bluesky?
Nini
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Selena
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •~Musk genius~
Dan Sugalski
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Ben Aveling
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •"Musk later added that new accounts would be able to post after three months of creation without paying a fee."
It shouldn't cause existing users to leave. It won't stop bots, because creating a bot and then doing nothing with it for 3+ months costs nothing. It will discourage new users, but I doubt Xitter is getting a lot of new users anyway.
@fediversenews
Cătă
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •@Tim Chambers
Bruh, most of these are state/political actors trying to manipulate public discourse. That $1 fee will do nothing against them.
Jessica Jordan
in reply to Tim Chambers • • •Mast0b1t
in reply to Jessica Jordan • • •Mast0b1t
in reply to Mast0b1t • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Mast0b1t • • •Fediverse News reshared this.
Mast0b1t
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@BeAware 😐😑😐 Because #SarahKendzior is not on Mastodon.
I prefer reposting accounts that migrated from TwiX to here whenever possible. Whenever not possible, from elsewhere.
Keep in mind, however 💩 TwiX may now be, it still holds invaluable human history dating to 2006 -- 18 years.
So while it remains, I don't mind going back to fish for resources I otherwise cannot find on Mastodon and posting here. Partly to preserve an iota of what was on TwiX in Mastodon instead.
Tim Chambers
in reply to Mast0b1t • • •@mastobit @jejord
She is right.
JanetteSpeyer
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