A note on "#deltachat is going proprietary with #chatmail relays":
1) It's all based on IETF standards, with configuration and custom integration code fully FOSS and documented at: chatmail.at/doc/relay/ with hundreds of permission-free deployments.
2) We know of several alternative relay implementations and deployments
3) Own servers or big email providers can be used (YMMV)
However it's fair to criticize our relentless focus on E2EE, and our moving away from email addresses as identity.
happyborg
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Michał Narecki
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Lioh
in reply to Delta Chat • • •what is this for a statement? "#deltachat is going proprietary with #chatmail relays"
As far as I can see the relay software is still licensed under MIT. Are there any changes planned, regarding this?
Radomír Žemlička
in reply to Delta Chat • • •I just installed it and it looks cool. What I don't understand is this:
1) If I use the (default) chatmail relay, can I communicate with users that use their own email address?
2) Is it possible for a single profile to use both a chatmail relay and an email address? (I think I can use multiple chatmail relays, but I'm clueless about this.)
Basically I'm just curious how it works under the hood, what are the limitations etc. I didn't find this in the FAQ. Can anyone clarify? Thanks.
Delta Chat
in reply to Radomír Žemlička • • •Webxdc: mini apps shared in a chat
webxdc.orgRaiden
in reply to Delta Chat • • •I think that accusation is false. Everything is open source, and #deltachat is still compatible with email. However, the user experience in this area has definitely worsened.
Since DC works best with #chatmail relays, and these only allow encrypted emails, but very few users encrypt them, email compatibility no longer makes much sense for me. From my perspective, it would be better to abandon email compatibility altogether. The current rather ambivalent approach only leads to confusion and discussions. Furthermore, it would offer the opportunity to get rid of some disadvantages such as base64.
On the other hand, I wonder if one could use an email address as a kind of optional anchor identity?
... Show more...It's an advantage that you can't find contacts in DC, but this can also be seen as a major disadvantage.
DC could optionally read the address book and send a special email to all contacts with an invite code and a special header that DC recognize
I think that accusation is false. Everything is open source, and #deltachat is still compatible with email. However, the user experience in this area has definitely worsened.
Since DC works best with #chatmail relays, and these only allow encrypted emails, but very few users encrypt them, email compatibility no longer makes much sense for me. From my perspective, it would be better to abandon email compatibility altogether. The current rather ambivalent approach only leads to confusion and discussions. Furthermore, it would offer the opportunity to get rid of some disadvantages such as base64.
On the other hand, I wonder if one could use an email address as a kind of optional anchor identity?
It's an advantage that you can't find contacts in DC, but this can also be seen as a major disadvantage.
DC could optionally read the address book and send a special email to all contacts with an invite code and a special header that DC recognizes. This way, you could find contacts who are already using DC. Further communication would then take place via chatmail relays. Email would only serve as a kind of user discovery layer. The relays themselves would no longer need to be compatible with email.
But this would weaken security, and there would likely be problems with many email providers who might consider these emails spam if the contact list is very large.
Lutin Discret
in reply to Delta Chat • • •go on team.
The most popular messengers in the world use proprietary protocols. It works. Nobody care about the software they use being compliant with a random pile of RFCs as long as sending cat pics to grandma just works. The burden of bureaucratic standardization and maintenance of multiple implementation that will never reach to 100% compatibility killed and is still killing most initiative for an universal messenger. Keep going 👍
Dima
in reply to Delta Chat • • •если запретите использовать почту в качестве релеев (если вы об этом), то вы тем самым лишите Россию метода связи при блокировках "белыми списками", где работает только почта, а все чатме
... Show more...если запретите использовать почту в качестве релеев (если вы об этом), то вы тем самым лишите Россию метода связи при блокировках "белыми списками", где работает только почта, а все чатмейлы не входят в белые списки. Подумайте трижды, нужны ли вам проклятия со стороны СНГ? Народ всё равно будет использовать старые версии программы, но об авторах пойдёт дурная слава.
If you prohibit the use of mail as relays (if that's what you mean), then you will thereby deprive Russia of a method of communication when blocked by "white lists", where only mail works, and all chatmails are not included in the white lists. Think three times, do you need curses from the CIS? People will still use old versions of the program, but the authors will get notorious.
what the sigma
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