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A deep dive into #WSocial with some fascinating findings: candid statements about their motives, a Greta Thunberg connection, potential AI plans (!!!)
Why write about it again? I still had so many questions after publishing my first article.
I spent 3 weeks watching every interview I could find and connecting the dots.
I hope you'll enjoy this piece:
π : blog.elenarossini.com/the-untoβ¦
#blog #longread #privacy #DataMining #Europe
The Untold Story About W Social: Unconventional Beginnings, Strategic Pitches and Conflicting Signals
A deep dive into the origin story of W Social, an analysis of the strategic arguments they have been using to appeal to government officials, media companies and advertisers... and the discussion of conflicting signals they have been sendingElena Rossini
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Vinterkarusell β
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Unknown parent • • •Nik
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •> group of C-level executives
Yep, that's how I think of them too. π
Ciara π
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Elena Rossini π
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •My top 3 "favorite" (aka juicy) discoveries about #WSocial, which I discuss on my blog:
π : blog.elenarossini.com/the-untoβ¦
1) The co-founders picked #ATproto but only started using the network WEEKS after their Davos launch
2) The CEO said "we also want to keep European data in Europe to maybe train European AI models with our data because we also have amazing AI companies in Europe" π€―
3) W Social user "homersimpson"
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The Untold Story About W Social: Unconventional Beginnings, Strategic Pitches and Conflicting Signals
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in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •soapdog
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •I AM BANKSY β / πβπ₯
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •"maybe train European AI models with our data"
Feels like they're giving away the plan like they think we're James Bond tied to a table that we can't possibly escape...
Tyrone Slothrop
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Great research and write-up. Thank you!
I miss when we had tech publications that would run this sort of articleβ¦
AlisonW
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Damn. When an idea seems good in advance but shows it's true colours as a baddie later.
(cf Google, Mozilla, etc)
β L. Rhodes
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Leonieke
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •astrid
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Eurosky - Building a thriving open social web for Europe
EuroskyKarel 'Clock' K.
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Also lately my favorite question, how will it work on obsolete smartphones of poor people, who cannot afford to buy a new one, and the manufacturer stopped issuing security updates, so their smartphone is unsafe and a risk for hacking and identity theft?
#obsolescence #plannedobsolescence #smartphone #poverty #digitaldivide #affordability #incomeinequality #securityupdate #unsafe #risk #hacking #identitytheft
James Tweedie
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Nina Pescatore
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •What's also a red flag in my book is this quote from Zeiter:
"And by this we want to create a platform where things like climate, environment can be discussed in a non-cancel culture."
A non-cancel culture is exactly the argument Elon used. Well, we all know how that turned out. π
Hendrik Weimer
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •bbbhltz
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Nice work. Absolutely something I would boost across other networks if I still had accounts on them!
(also, BeReal is still around?!)
Audric
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Wow superbe recherche !
Donc, en somme... C'est de la merde. Ou werde on pourrait dire.
Je n'ai pas fait 1% de ta recherche. Mais en faisant le sign up, Γ§a m'as beaucoup fΓ’chΓ© que j'Γ©tais invitΓ© Γ utiliser GOOGLE pour la crΓ©ation du compte... Ils se vendent comme un produit / rΓ©seau europΓ©en indΓ©pendant... Et PAF, Google. J'ai fait un post pour me plaindre Γ ce sujet et je n'y suis plus jamais allΓ© Γ nouveau.
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in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •I AM BANKSY β / πβπ₯
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Unknown parent • • •Michel Patrice
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Elena's new business card :
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Vysogota
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in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •what a surprising surprise!: as shady today as it was from the beginning..
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in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Nik
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •I think the motives are easy.
1. They want to make money.
2. Politicians want to appear to be doing something about social media along various axes (age gates, identity, sovereignty)
3. "We have a product ready to go, give us funding / move your social presence to us / write laws that match our behaviour and cause problems for our competitors" is a tried and tested way to get market dominance.
Nik
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in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Gilles DePemig
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •LumiWorx - Just Vote Dammit!
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Very well done!
I'm still amazed that so many people think all they have to do is "talk a good game" once they make all the connections, all the while thinking that they're so stealthy and sneaky enough to bypass any suspicions, and then, "just a little bit more, and we'll fool everybody".
I swear they just can't help themselves and still end up with a massive trail of breadcrumbs for someone to find, and in this case, that someone was you.
Bill
Unknown parent • • •@vinterkarusell
This was a great piece. Sounds like you have your next research project lined up.
Stefan
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Matt Tutt
Unknown parent • • •@w_b @vinterkarusell would like to add this is a great piece. It reminds me a lot of people like Rutger Bregman and his "School For Moral Ambition". He also made a bit of a name for himself at Davos.
People should be asking - why (and how?) are these people being pushed onto such a platform?
Most of these people see things like climate change as nice opportunities to earn $$$ - either directly or through additional soft power.
Bill
Unknown parent • • •@vinterkarusell
No one needs enemies, especially those in power.
Thank you for your efforts and analysis.
PoLiTiPeT
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Β« #WSocial 's beta program will open on June 17th and it will be interesting to see how many people will be willing to give W their government IDs to set up an account - when #Eurosky and #Bluesky exist, plug into the same network, and do not have such a requirement. Β»
... and @france-atmosphe.re is actively pushing Bluesky accounts verification
SamuelJohnson
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Very nicely done. Congratulations. π
It would be somewhat depressing if an opportunistic top down initiative like this succeeded. Have you read Carl Malamud's An Internet Travelogue? It may or may not be realistic to still hope that grass roots power still exists and may yet prevail. The book describes the triumph of nerds over bureaucrats in protocol-land. CM is still doing good things.
Paco Hope
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •James Smith πΎ
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •excellent investigation, thank you!
However, that hat already told me all I needed to know up front π‘
GeePawHill
Unknown parent • • •SamuelJohnson
Unknown parent • • •He's a brilliant public advocate, less well known than say Tim Berners-Lee, or Brewster KahlΓ©, but v much someone who made a difference, and is still doing so.
whomadetheinternet.com/carl-maβ¦
I knew some of the people he profiled in the book which made it a fun read.
Josh
in reply to Elena Rossini π • • •Slash909uk
Unknown parent • • •@paco thank you!
As was alrwmeady well said here, build the social tools not the capitalist money machine!
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