“We ignored accessibility for eight years and still ship with a broken screen reader but you’re the asshole for calling us out on it.“
– Sincerely, the folks at Fedora and GNOME
I’m actually at the point where I’m wondering why I’m on this platform and whether I’m actually doing more harm than good by showcasing it in my videos and talks and screenshots, etc., given this toxic culture.
But does a better free alternative even exist? *sigh*
Florian Idelberger
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •I've drilled down through these threads and I don't understand the anger. Jeremy and others are on the same side as you.
OSS is the work of volunteers and passionate people. These people are trying their best.
Lady Errant
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Aral Balkan
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •I LOVE Open Source, but sometimes the communities and people can be unnecessarily harsh. This is the main drawback when participating in this world (and it's a big one).
pinkdrunkenelephants
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Should they ship with no screen reader instead?
Because they're in the business of packaging, not necessarily fixing, not fundamentally.
So the real a-holes are probably the authors of the screen-reader, aren't they?
And I wonder why they are not fixing their stuff... Any insights on this?
Aral Balkan
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Yes, someone probably got the app you want running on one of the 40,000 flavors of the distro you use so they felt justified packaging it for the distro. Will it work for most people? That is the ultimate question.
I just put up a Debian media server and no one has a functional blu-ray player. Go figure. Only a million movies you can't watch...
Colin Haynes
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in reply to Colin Haynes • • •Aylam 🏴☠️
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Ah, yes, "toxic culture" is when FOSS developers call you an asshole for harassing them.
Have you considered, even for just a moment, that maybe it's you who is in the wrong here?
(spoiler: you are the one being toxic here)
Aral Balkan
in reply to Aylam 🏴☠️ • • •@aylamz I criticised an accessibility shortcoming. I haven’t harassed anyone. Unlike, for example… https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/112647473375947331
Now go away.
Ian Smith
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in reply to Ian Smith • • •@katachora Basically, due to the way Wayland works, the global modifier key required to control Orca doesn’t work. So you cannot control the screen reader in Orca.
The folks at Fedora have been shipping Fedora with Wayland by default for eight years with a broken screen reader.
Ian Smith
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Thank you.
Commentary --- It's pretty sad how the Red Hat ecosystem (by that I mean red hat, rhel, fedora, centos distros and the gnome/freedesktop/systemd framework) continues to lumber along. It has never really been "good" compared to the alternatives and yet still managed to be the face of Linux (at least in the US corpo & gov circles).
OpticalNail 🇵🇸
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