If you feed somebody's posts into your shitty LLM without an explicit and reversible opt-in, you are violating the consent of fedi users.
This "Zeitgeist" app not only violates consent, but it also doesn't have a centralized ActivityPub identity that can be blocked or defederated.
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Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
https://zeitgeist.blue is a multi-social-network app that summarizes your feed for the last 24 hours to let you catch up with doomscrolling. Now with support for Mastodon!Laurie Voss (Alpaca.Gold)
The Fedilore Otter 🦦
in reply to The Fedilore Otter 🦦 • • •The creator is making pretty clear that it's designed this way to make it harder to block.
Normally, you'd expect an LLM scraper to have a single (blockable) ActivityPub account doing the scraping.
This is designed so that everybody who uses the service has their identities harvested to steal people's data on the app's behalf.
#FediBlock #FediAdmin
Aral Balkan
in reply to The Fedilore Otter 🦦 • • •Alt text: screenshot of Mastodon conversation:
Jan Lehnardt @janl@narrativ.es Mar 15
@seldo how can I make sure my posts are never used by this app to be sent to an LLM vendor?
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Laurie Voss @seldo @janl You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Jan Lehnardt @janl@narrativ.es @seldo you personally or some app account?
(Note that this kind of stuff is not well liked here on mastodon, I got browbeaten into shutting down just a search engine that worked that way, let alone exfiltrate a timeline into an LLM provider)
Laurie Voss @seldo
@jan Me personally, and also anyone who uses the app. It's just a mastodon client, fetching the timeline. It looks like every other mastodon client.
The Fedilore Otter 🦦
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to The Fedilore Otter 🦦 • • •The Fedilore Otter 🦦
in reply to The Fedilore Otter 🦦 • • •Taking the block-evasion one step further, according to the thread the service doesn't set a user agent so it's not possible to block that way.
Again, according to the thread it does specify an ActivityPub client named "Zeigeist".
Would appreciate any feedback from admins about how to block a specific ActivityPub client.
#FediAdmin #Fediblock
The Fedilore Otter 🦦
in reply to The Fedilore Otter 🦦 • • •The service also does not currently respect any of the various opt-outs to indexing that people use.
Which means it ignores some pretty universal web standards about consent for indexing.
Even if your excuse is that you're a little baby who doesn't know anything, you should know that.
spielleitung
in reply to The Fedilore Otter 🦦 • • •we just reject requests with redirect_uri back to zeitgeist. This prevents them from registering their app
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