Dear Fedi friends,
Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.
The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.
I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.
My articles on them:
🔗 : blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-so…
Wow. Just wow.
W Social - Elena Rossini
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Harry W.
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Radomír Žemlička
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Radomír Žemlička • • •Radomír Žemlička
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Radomír Žemlička • • •wakest likes your bugs ⁂
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Fabio Pani
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •🤦♂️
shem
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Hylke Bons 🥜
in reply to shem • • •Gina
in reply to Hylke Bons 🥜 • • •wakest likes your bugs ⁂
in reply to Gina • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to wakest likes your bugs ⁂ • • •@liaizon yes, Clearsky may not be the best designed website, but it's SO USEFUL!
@Gina @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission
Gina
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Gina • • •@Gina @liaizon @hbons @shemjm no need to apologize Gina!
This makes me think that I use Clearsky all the time for research and maybe I should donate to them 😅
shem
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@liaizon @Gina @hbons yeah after I posted that message, I thought "oh no what if that's something someone made by themselves" 🤣
I originally thought it was W social or Blue sky
Passenger
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •I remember when W was announced, the things they emphasised were:
A) "Now Europeans can be the information gatekeepers too!"
B) "Now Europeans can harvest data too!"
It's as if they looked at facebook and twitter and focused on the very worst aspects of them as what they wanted to reproduce, rather than on the basic humans-talking-to-humans aspect.
Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Passenger • • •@passenger indeed! I've seen dozens of presentations they've given and they want to build a European Everything App, WeChat style. Microblogging, identity, payments... with no previous background in this space, just a desire to build alternatives, hosted in Europe, of INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC and toxic Big Tech apps. Digital sovereignty goes beyond having servers hosted in Europe.
@EUCommission
Passenger
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •My suspicion, and I cannot prove this because I was not in the room at the time, is that this is also what the closed-door investor pitches for other social media apps were like. The difference here is that they aren't bothering with also having a pitch to the end users. I'm going to guess that this approach probably will not help with widespread adoption, given that attention is so sought-after nowadays.
On the one hand, we could read this as a parable about the Commission as a whole: so accustomed to the top-down insider-first approach that they never considered even the appearance of asking users what they wanted and then building that.
On the other hand, this may simply be where we are in the common era year twenty twenty six: wannabe oligarchs talking to governments about what sort of tech the peasants will be herded into.
Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Passenger • • •@passenger 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯 perfectly said!
And I find it ironic that the whole purpose of W is to "replace X" and yet I am getting so many "Muskian" vibes from them. They're even copying the idea of the Everything App and payment system
Stéphane Bortzmeyer
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •bbbhltz
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@EUCommission should explain their choice
Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
- I was given some information on background, confidentially
- I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)
Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.
Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠
patpro
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to patpro • • •@patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA
But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)
Iván Rivera
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Juanjo Salvador
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •thanks for your service Elena, I was getting an eye on WSocial since it started and people was defending it as "the European bluesky", which always sounded weird to me.
I should've thought they were going to be this kind of shit eventually...
Juliano
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •b3lt3r
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Eric Platon
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Strange name... It very sadly and unfortunately reminds of Perec's W.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W,_or_th…
1975 novel by Georges Perec
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •File under: #WSocial shenanigans
I was alerted by @usti that the video of the Monaco AI conference presentation by W Social CEO Anna Zeiter was removed from their YouTube channel. You know, the video that I referenced in my second exposé about W Social, quoted extensively (because some of her statements were truly shocking).
This is the only video that was removed from their channel. I thought I had downloaded a copy to my computer... but hey, proof from the Wayback Machine of its existence
Michel Patrice
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Michel Patrice • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •⚠️ More shocking news! 🚨
Christine Lagarde and the European Central Bank have just migrated to #WSocial too!!!
(For context, see the beginning of this thread).
I'm at a loss for words today. Truly.
What a world.
If you missed my exposés on this controversial, problematic company, here they are:
🔗 : blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-so…
W Social - Elena Rossini
Elena RossiniLuca Sironi
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •- I don't get why #wsocial and not #eurosky
- Or even better, to bridge their #fediverse accounts with #bridgyfed
The best thing I could find about this news, is to spread the concept of different federated servers, to the european people on #atproto
They will see in action that an account they follow could simply migrate, and they could also
cc @hpod16
fosdembsd
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Toke Riis Ebbesen
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •mat
in reply to Toke Riis Ebbesen • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to mat • • •@mat I'M NOT EVEN SURE THEY HAVE A FULLY INDEPENDENT INFRASTRUCTURE 😱😱😱😱😱
To be truly sovereign and independent on #ATproto (from Bluesky PBC), you need to self-host your own:
- PDS
- relay
- PLC directory mirror
- indexer
- data plane
- moderation tools
...
@tokeriis
mat
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •the new eurosky appview also runs with some bsky infrastructure as they lack of funding. I think wsocial will be promoted as the official European twitter alternative for politics as it's very professional-branded. however they still can use the relay/plc directory eurosky released recently. imo eurosky is a more transparent infrastructure but wsocial is still better than twitter though
@tokeriis
Francis Cook
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Jörgi (chaos.social)
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •That's what it was made for, or?
Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Jörgi (chaos.social) • • •@joergi the shocking part is that they would move to a shady private for-profit company with an infrastructure that is still half-baked and not fully independent from Bluesky PBC.
Whereas Eurosky has been making real strides towards independence and is building everything in the open, via a Dutch foundation.
W Social just copied Eurosky and did a "vampire attack" launching publicly before them...
Jörgi (chaos.social)
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Jörgi (chaos.social) • • •Jörgi (chaos.social)
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •...
Wtf. I was totally mislead.... Now i understand your comments here... Wtf
Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Jörgi (chaos.social) • • •Jörgi (chaos.social)
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •I read it, when they announced it, and thought it was kind of officially...
Let's see how this will all end.
I'm happy that I jumped on the Fediverse train and not the ATproto train back then...
Dave Everitt
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •I would like to know how much W. paid to them. Must have been more than a dinner in Davos. #sarcasmAlarm
But could become an interesting study about the old claim that social media networks grow by the existence of prominent people only.
Jonas Sulzer
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Oh wow! That clearly doesn't make this WSocial case any better... ^
Since you've said you'll be writing about it, but I've not yet seen an article about it from you, I think this could be of interest to you, @adfichter
#WSocial
pyrrhlin
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Drew Crecente (they)
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@usti
I haven't seen the original video... but here is a brief interview at the conference w/ Anna Zeiter talking about WSocial:
YouTube.com/watch?v=hNVAbSxydUg
al
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to al • • •Dźwiedziu
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •> Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠
Well, isn't what's “WWW” about?
LumiWorx - Just Vote Dammit!
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •This might be a good time to see if you can find an ally - or a few - with journalistic and/or political muscle that can help introduce your current information into something that can become actionable. I'm not suggesting you 'let go' of what you've discovered, but I'm suggesting partnering with someone who has a network you can plug into.
So far, the players seem to be scheming and not too far out of the starting gate yet, but those who should know what you know aren't aware yet.
Jens Finkhäuser
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •We Germans have a nickname for her, "Zensursula". This goes back to before she was working at the EU level.
Let's just say he has a fair few very old fashioned and dictatorial ideas about how public forums should work.
In other words, not much of a surprise.
dunklecat
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Thanks for the work! Davos, follow the money, the whole launching of that platform smells like investor's interests and hard lobbyism. When journalists sound like press releases: a sign that they don't have time for more or ... lobbyism. And we all know that lobbyism is one of the biggest problems inside EU structures.
Hope they will not burn too much public money.
For the new accounts, we had a saying in the 1968s: "imagine, they make (war), and nobody joins in." Will
@EUCommission
Dźwiedziu
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •“Make Europe Great Again” hat.
As the Polish meme goes “I know from whom you are”¹
This movement was kickstarted by Steve Bannon trying to transplant MAGA onto the EU. He found a lot of eager Polish supporters, including MPs and MEPs.
And with those come ties to Russia, as the main adversary of the EU.
1. “A ja wiem od kogo wy są”
@EUCommission
Droid Boy
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •cool_day
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •〽️ɪɢᴜᴇʟ
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •it is baffling to me that they are not using Mastodon (EU instance) as their primary communication tool.
I hear the argument a lot that Mastodon is lacking reach but the instance could literally treated like a government website where the "reach" argument wouldn't count anyways.
Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to 〽️ɪɢᴜᴇʟ • • •@bitbraindev SPOT ON. They could easily bridge their Mastodon account to Bluesky using BridgyFed... a Mastodon account that is truly sovereign / their own
@EUCommission
〽️ɪɢᴜᴇʟ
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Henrik Pauli
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Numerfolt
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •n/L
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in reply to n/L • • •Erotic Mythology 🌈
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Sensitive content
Wolfgang MAEHR
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@floe
It’s not really a surprise, is it? The same @EUCommission that keeps talking about “consumers” instead of “people” and “markets” instead of “societies”?
The EU started as an economic union and until we force it to change into a true union of people and human values, it’s simply better than nothing.
luca
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Kerplunk
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.
Der EU Komission ist von Mitglieder rechte Gruppierungen Dominiert.
Von der Leyen Priorität Rechte Mitarbeit.
Mastodon ist wohl zu Linksversifft.....
ohir
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •> I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise
I can easily not only fathom but be pretty sure why. I just do not know the sum.
@NatureMC
> lobbyism
We need to stop to use euphemisms. Not "lobbyism" but bribery. Not "investor;'s interests" but corruption.
The only place to use lobbyism for me is in the phrase "Lobbying should be punished by a life sentence for any party participating".
@EUCommission
Andy Carolan
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Andy Carolan • • •Andy Carolan
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •OddOpinions5
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •maybe it is cause there is, roughly speaking, no one on mastodon - we are so tiny, we really don't matter in the broader scheme of things
or you might ask, why are people not here but at bluesky or threads or other places ?
maybe there is something wrong with mastodon, in the sense that users don't like it ?
wojtek
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •devils advocate: it's still atproto (open protocol) and they only migrated their PDS so for all intents and proposes for everyone it will be absolutely unnoticeable.
(and hurt durr data mining - everything is public so it could be mined wherever they have their PDS)
on the bluesky front you have either main bsky PDS (usanian, yuck) brewing eurosky (more like community effort) and wsocial (some entity that wants to tackle it from "business perspective".
Alternatively EU commission could run their own PDS (a'la what they do with masto).
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •"… It’s fair to say that politicians across the political spectrum would welcome this message. …"
@_elena
Cc @EUCommission
🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •They migrated because A) It's European, so the assume this is more secure and looks like it's good PR. It's neither.
And B) because they are pro European AI. As much as most of Masto is against AI, European politicians and corporations are still all in on the AI hype. Why? Who knows! Maybe they really just are that dumb. Maybe they have private investments. Probably both.
Daniel Blake
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •It is a great pity that @EUCommission has chosen to do this, because it gives W Social some undeserved credibility. So please EUComm, please reconsider.
Would love to know _exactly who_ at the EU decided to do this… @hpod16?
Souverain 🛡️
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •