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in reply to Mina

Yesterday, I presented Galeano's history of the continent, but this book, which focusses on a single event, the conquest of Mexico by the Spanish, actually introduced me first to the history of colonialism and Latin America.

Whilst its intended target audience are young people, it is detailed, nuanced, quotes original sources and …

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in reply to Mina

is full of references, so I would call it a proper history book.

Unlike, what I expected, Hernán Cortez and his men did not conquer Mexico through the superiority of their weapons. It played a role, but not enough to give a few hundred men sufficient advantage over the huge Aztec army.

No. The Spanish victory was caused by a combination of factors:

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1. The exceptional weakness of the Aztec government at the time, namely the one of its ruler Montezuma, who was an extremely cautious and superstitious man.

2. The existence of a prophecy about the return of the red haired God Quetzalcoatl, who was supposed to come from the East. In fact, the Spanish arrived from the East, their colony in Cuba, and …

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… their leader, Cortez, in fact had a reddish hair colour. Both facts impressed the Aztecs deeply, especially their superstitious ruler.

3. The most important fact, though, was the widespread support, the Spanish found among the many people, which had previously been conquered by the Aztecs and who were only too happy to retaliate against their oppressors. …

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The indigenous allies actually won the decisive battles.

4. The Spanish were only able to forge these alliances through the help of a young woman (she was only 14, when she fell into the hands of the Spanish), Malintzin, who was fluent in the languages of the region, Maya, Nahuatl and others and learned Spanish at an incredible speed. …

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As a former slave, she probably hated the Aztecs deeply and helped them as interpreter, chief diplomat and strategic adviser to form the necessary alliances as well as to deal with the Aztec government. Her role was so central that the Mexican called Cortez "Capitán Malinche" as they perceived him to be in her service.

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Far from wanting to downplay the role of diseases in the context of the European invasion of the Americas:

This discussion came already up in this thread, and I am rather confident to completely dismiss it for the short period of time (1519-1521) and series of events, I was portraying.

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#AztecEmpire

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Ah, finally we've found something we disagree on. 😉

For starters, depending on cultural and commercial exchanges of people's, epidemics seem to have taken weeks or months to spread during the first wave.

In fact, the #TheGreatDying did start in the period you mentioned, 1520. The disease that ended the empire of the #Mexicas was...

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in reply to HistoPol (#HP)

Thanks a lot for providing these links.

It seems, I do have to update my knowledge as well my narrative.

It slightly hurts my pride, but as a hobby scientist, I greatly appreciate being able to correct errors.

So: Thanks again!

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire
#LatinAmerica
#ClimateChange

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...concluded that the Indigenous population reached more than 60 million people before contact. That would have been about 10 percent of the world’s population,..." 1)

In other words, if that were true, and in fact there is evidence that that is so, the European...

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire
#LatinAmerica
#ClimateChange

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... a rounding imprecision.
In other words, seen (only statistically,) the wartime deaths were, in this sense, "almost negligible."
Over time, when the original awe and "godliness" of the conquistadores had worn off, the 50-60 m people would have simply overrun the...

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire

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...mere couple of thousands European invaders-turned-#colonizers at some point.

Let's put things in perspective first:

But this is NOT, what I originally said would blow your mind, it is rather the breathtaking impact on Earth itself that #TheGreatDying had.

#MaxRoser, the Professor of Practice in...

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire
#ClimateChange

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...Global Data Analytics at #OxfordUniversity has put together an incredible chart:

"Global deaths in conflicts since
the year 1400" 3)
Each circle represents but 1 armed cobflict.
"The size represents the absolute number of...

3)
https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-years

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire
#ClimateChange

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...However, save the best for last:

For this, we have to go back to the original research paper 1):

"The paper explores a big question:

👉Did the invasion and #depopulation of the Americas in the 16th and 17th centuries result in the decline in temperatures,...

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https://www.yesmagazine.org/opinion/2019/02/13/how-colonization-of-the-americas-killed-90-percent-of-their-indigenous-people-and-changed-the-climate

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire
#ClimateChange

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...the #LittleIceAge?👈
And was that a result of “natural forces” or because of the “large-scale #depopulation of the Americas after European arrival, subsequent land use change and secondary succession...”?!?

The authors say their study shows that the “global carbon budget of...

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire
#ClimateChange

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...the 1500s cannot be balanced until large-scale vegetation regeneration in the Americas is included. 👉#TheGreatDying of the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas resulted in a human-driven global impact on the Earth system👈 in the two centuries prior to the Industrial Revolution.”

And what...

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#MexicanHistory
#SpanishConquest of the #AztecEmpire
#ClimateChange

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...in particular in the present-day "developed" world.

And yet another thought:

Neither the biggest death bubble (WWII) im human history, nor any of the pandemics of the 20th and 21st century seems to have been able to cause a similar small "Ice Age" as did #TheGreatDying in...

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Just an idea: Why put hashtags in every single toot?

I never do that, and I believe, it makes threads far more readable.

And handles? I'm thinking of restricting them to the very last toot, where answers and comments should go.

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This order committed the White House to the goal of conserving at least 30 percent of our lands and oceans by 2030 and launches a process for stakeholder engagement from agricultural and forest landowners, fishermen, Tribes, States, Territories, local officials, and others to identify strategies that will result in broad participation.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/01/27/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-executive-actions-to-tackle-the-climate-crisis-at-home-and-abroad-create-jobs-and-restore-scientific-integrity-across-federal-government/

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This is a fascinating story, and definitely worth reading more about it.

However: I thought we could pretty reliably (through ice cores) "blame" the Little Ice Age on volcanoes.

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One estimate is that about 10 percent of the world's population was killed either during or immediately after the Mongol invasions, around 37.75–60 million people in Eurasia.
in reply to HistoPol (#HP)

I just grabbed that number from wikipedia when I noticed that the Vox article you linked didn't go back to the Mongol invasion.

That seems to be a period of colonialization that doesn't come up all that much, but because of how it changed the Rus culture of Moscow I've been thinking about quite a bit for a few years.

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"...Vox article you linked didn't go back to the Mongol invasion.

That seems to be a period of colonialization that doesn't come up all that much, but because of how it changed the Rus culture of Moscow I've been thinking about quite a bit for a few years."

Me, too!--Thanks for being today's inspiration, for my book! 🤗

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