End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ...
Both #deltachat and #signal go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. #Matrix stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.
Everything is better than #Telegram which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.
![screenshot of artifical WhatsApp screen
courtesy of @fex@cfn.social
[Lock Icon] Your personal messages are end-to-end encrypted¹
But:
When you message someone is saved forever.
When you type is saved forever.
Your approximate location is saved forever.
Every profile picture is saved forever.
Every status update is saved forever.
Every group name is saved forever.
Every group description is saved forever.
Every community name is saved forever.
Every community description is saved forever.
Every time you join a group is saved forever.
Every time you leave a group is saved forever.
Every new contact is saved forever.
Deleting a contact is saved forever.
What you search for is saved forever.
Who you call and when is saved forever.
When you hang up is saved forever.
When you’re online is saved forever.
When you’re offline is saved forever.
Every link you open is stored forever.
Your phone model is stored forever.
Your operating system is stored forever.
Your battery level is stored forever.
Your signal strength is stored forever.
Your app version is stored forever.
Your mobile network is stored forever.
Your Wi-Fi network is stored forever.
.....
Your IP addresses are stored forever.
Your meta ID is stored forever.
Your settings are stored forever.
¹Just in case your contacts don’t back up your messages with Google or Apple](https://friendica.hellquist.eu/photo/preview/640/5502221 "screenshot of artifical WhatsApp screen
courtesy of @fex@cfn.social
[Lock Icon] Your personal messages are end-to-end encrypted¹
But:
When you message someone is saved forever.
When you type is saved forever.
Your approximate location is saved forever.
Every profile picture is saved forever.
Every status update is saved forever.
Every group name is saved forever.
Every group description is saved forever.
Every community name is saved forever.
Every community description is saved forever.
Every time you join a group is saved forever.
Every time you leave a group is saved forever.
Every new contact is saved forever.
Deleting a contact is saved forever.
What you search for is saved forever.
Who you call and when is saved forever.
When you hang up is saved forever.
When you’re online is saved forever.
When you’re offline is saved forever.
Every link you open is stored forever.
Your phone model is stored forever.
Your operating system is stored forever.
Your battery level is stored forever.
Your signal strength is stored forever.
Your app version is stored forever.
Your mobile network is stored forever.
Your Wi-Fi network is stored forever.
.....
Your IP addresses are stored forever.
Your meta ID is stored forever.
Your settings are stored forever.
¹Just in case your contacts don’t back up your messages with Google or Apple")
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •Raiden
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Actually, WhatsApp offers the option to encrypt backups, and Apple offers the option to encrypt iCloud. However, not all users will take advantage of this, so its usefulness is limited.
Personally, I hope that DC-iOS will one day get iCloud backup support. Provided it is not too complicated to implement. In my opinion, it makes more sense than before, since chatmail servers only temporarily store emails.
Avoca
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Its simply frightening that a company thinks they have the right to do this.
What kind of sick minds do these folk have?
Oh wait, its a Zuckerberg thing right...
'nuff said.
Celoman
in reply to Delta Chat • • •ebrum
in reply to Delta Chat • • •i don't even believe WA's e2e encryption is real. When you reactivate whatsapp from a new phone, without the transfer protocol, but from the same number, you can see the plaintext of all messages you missed. If the key was in your "end" (old phone) only, there would be no possible way to see those messages.
Whereas for Signal if you don't explicitly back up and transfer keys, you won't be able to decrypt messages your received in the meantime.
Delta Chat
in reply to ebrum • • •WhatsApp design feature means some encrypted messages could be read by third party
Guardian staff reporter (The Guardian)ebrum
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