"Vance is on the ticket of the only former president who, before our own eyes, tried to kneecap democracy to hold on to power.

That is disqualifying for anyone seeking to be first in the line of succession. Yet it seems that very important fact was lost amid the postdebate discourse that focused on the more polished nature of Vance’s answers over Walz’s.

~ Kimberly Atkins Stohr

#Trump #JDVance #Republicans #lies #disinformation #BigLie #Jan6
/5

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/10/02/opinion/vice-presidential-debate-vance-trump-walz/

Opinion | JD Vance can't sane-wash Donald Trump

Tim Walz cut through JD Vance’s attempt to smooth talk his way out of acknowledging the truth: He is the running mate of a man who tried to fraudulently, forcefully, and unconstitutionally stay in office against the will of voters, and who stands cri…

^{The Boston Globe}

"Last night, we saw a 90-minute infomercial for normalizing Nazis.

I don’t use the word lightly, I use it precisely. Nothing neo about the criminal gang trying to take over America. They’re using a cruel and effective fascist playbook that I have documented on these pages in depth and with receipts."

~ Heidi Siegmund Cuda

#Trump #JDVance #Republicans #lies #disinformation #BigLie #Jan6
/4

https://www.bettedangerous.com/p/who-goes-nazi-an-83-year-old-prediction

‘Who Goes Nazi?’ — An 83-Year-Old Prediction of JD Vance

Dorothy Thompson, the first American correspondent to be kicked out of Nazi Germany, described the archetypes of ‘who goes Nazi’ more than 80 years ago. It’s time we listen

^{Heidi Siegmund Cuda (Bette Dangerous)}

"Well, here we have the GOP members of the State using their power to shield the truth from the people since that is 'the mortal enemy of the lie.'”

#Trump #JDVance #Republicans #lies #disinformation #BigLie #Jan6
/3

"[When Republicans threaten media for telling the truth] is also right from the rules of Nazi propaganda that instruct people in power, 'The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.'”

~ Dean`Obediallah

#Trump #JDVance #Republicans #lies #disinformation #BigLie #Jan6
/2

https://deanobeidallah.substack.com/p/jd-vance-getting-angry-over-being

JD Vance getting angry over being fact checked tells us how dangerous he is

Every debate going forward must have fact checking

^{Dean Obeidallah (The Dean's Report by Dean Obeidallah)}

"It was all a lie.

One hundred and forty police officers assaulted, close to $3 million in damage, close to 1,200 people charged, more than 450 serving prison sentences, a poisonous political movement taking root, and voter suppression laws…all because Trump couldn’t bear to have lost an election.

'Post-truth politics' has real-world repercussions."

~ Heather Cox Richardson

#Trump #JDVance #Republicans #lies #disinformation #BigLie #Jan6
/1

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-2-2024

October 2, 2024

When moderator Margaret Brennan noted during last night’s vice presidential debate that Republican nominee J.D.

^{Heather Cox Richardson (Letters from an American)}

"Vance has been anointed by Thiel and the rest of the anti-democracy movement as the post-Trump president, tasked with replacing the American establishment with an authoritarian regime."

~ Robert Reich

#Trump #JDVance #Republicans #lies #disinformation #BigLie #Jan6 #authoritarianism #democracy
/6

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/03/jd-vance-anti-democracy-movement-leader

JD Vance is the handpicked leader of the anti-democracy movement in the US

Rightwing tech lords are betting that Vance will be the Republican presidential pick in 2028. They’re probably right

^{Robert Reich (The Guardian)}

But when the #debate turned, near its final frames, to the subject of the 2020 election, #Vance faced a choice: He could validate, once more, #Trump’s relentless #lies about his defeat 4 yrs ago. Or he could try something else in the spirit of moving forward.

It did not seem like a difficult decision for him.

#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda
#honesty #integrity #democracy #VoteBlue #HarrisWalz2024

Among the #lies #Trump running mate #JDVance told over the course of the #VPdebate w/ Governor #TimWalz, denying his support for a national #AbortionBan may haunt him the longest because it is so easily disproven. Rachel #Maddow shares #Vance's own words contradicting his claims at the #debate, & discusses w/MSNBC colleagues.

#FactCheck #VanceLies #VPdebate #disinformation #propaganda #trumpaganda

#honesty #integrity #democracy
#ReproductiveRights
#HarrisWalz2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMEkEo1ak68

"He offered ludicrous non-answers on housing and climate change. And all of those lies and nonsense helped prop up his broader gaslight-narrative goal."

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/10

"The moments from this debate that are going to resonate were all JD Vance errors.

Walz, just nailing the moment, interjected 'that’s a damning non-answer.;

That was the critical moment when the mask slipped. Vance lied about Trump’s economic record and his health care record and his abortion record."

~ Dave Karpf

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/9

https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/jd-vance-couldnt-quite-gaslight-the

JD Vance couldn't *quite* gaslight the audience for the full 90 minutes.

The format favored Vance, but he couldn't make it the whole way without being creepy and weird.

^{Dave Karpf (The Future, Now and Then)}

"If there is a 'sound bite' that will define the debate, it is when Tim Walz said that JD Vance gave a 'damning non-answer' in refusing to acknowledge that Donald Trump lost in 2020."

~ Robert B. Hubbell

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies
/8

https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/tim-gets-the-job-done

Tim gets the job done!

October 2, 2024

^{Robert B. Hubbell (Today's Edition Newsletter)}

"If you didn’t watch tonight’s debate, this is all you need to know:

JD Vance’s solution to the mass killing of school children is 'stronger windows.'

Not one child has ever been shot through a school window. ...

My wife Tracy turned to me about halfway through the debate and sighed, 'Vance is a such a sleazy, oily, adept liar.'”

~ Lucian K. Truscott

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/7

https://luciantruscott.substack.com/p/vance-is-such-a-sleazy-oily-adept

"Vance is such a sleazy, oily, adept liar."

^{Lucian K. Truscott IV (Lucian Truscott Newsletter)}

"Even if no minds are changed, the debate was still illuminating. J.D. Vance is as uncommitted to the truth as Donald Trump is."

~ Joyce Vance

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/6

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/walz-versus-vance

Walz versus Vance

Thanks to those of you who came and joined the debate chat tonight!

^{Joyce Vance (Civil Discourse with Joyce Vance)}

"Vance appeared slick, poised, and dare I say, held himself like a leader would. Still, the snake oil he was willing to ingest and sell to others was on full display."

~ Alicia Norman

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/5

https://oneangryblackchick.substack.com/p/tim-walz-shellacked-vance

Tim Walz Shellacked Vance!!

It wasn't even a contest!

^{Alicia Norman (Alicia’s Substack)}

"Quick debate take: the fact that the most upset/alarmed Vance got last night was at the prospect of being fact checked shows that…in every debate…

FACT CHECK!

Vance’s entire debate strategy was premised on NOT being fact checked.

And as a result, he lied the entire night."

~ David Pepper

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/4

https://davidpepper.substack.com/p/new-pod-episode-vance-replace-experts

NEW POD EPISODE: Vance -- Replace Experts with Loyalists

WATCH: Vance Last Night and its Ties to Project 2025

^{David Pepper (Pepperspectives)}

"Vance was a chameleon."

~ LaTosha Brown

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/3

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/01/who-won-vp-debate-walz-vance

Vance or Walz: who won the VP debate? Our panel responds

Walz was solid but underwhelming, while Vance nimbly reset his public image

^{Moustafa Bayoumi (The Guardian)}

"JD Vance is a slick debater. He has the natural advantages of lacking a moral core and an ability to lie shamelessly."

~ Dan Pfeiffer

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/2

https://www.messageboxnews.com/p/no-jd-vance-didnt-win-the-debate

The Pundits are Wrong: JD Vance Didn't Win the Debate

Vance impressed the pundits, but Walz scored points on the issues that matter to voters

^{Dan Pfeiffer (The Message Box)}

"Vance won against Tim Walz if you don't care about his lies."

~ John Harwood

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/1

https://zeteo.com/p/jd-vance-tim-walz-debate-winner-trump-harris

Smooth, Agreeable, and So Dishonest: JD Vance's Vice Presidential Debate Performance

^{John Harwood (Zeteo)}

"On the debate stage, facing two audiences—the people of the United States on one hand, and Trump on the other—Vance refused to acknowledge that Trump lost.

That moment tells you the most important thing about Vance: When democracy is in peril, he will bow to Trump, not to the people or the Constitution. He must never be given that chance."

~ Will Saletan

#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/12

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-one-question-that-mattered-in-the-vp-debate-vance-walz

The One Question That Mattered in the VP Debate

JD Vance failed to reject Trump’s lies about the 2020 election. He can’t be trusted to protect democracy.

^{Will Saletan (The Bulwark)}

One of #JDVance’s more remarkable #lies of the night was this: #Trump saved #Obamacare.

He said the #law “was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden in health care costs” before TFG took office in 2017 & started loosening some of its rules.

“I think he can make a good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along,” #Vance said.

#VPdebate #Election2024 #Vote #VoteBlue #HarrisWalz2024

…#TimWalz’s performance was not disastrous. Far from it. He seems to have come off just fine to viewers, per CBS’s post-debate poll, & he had several good moments. For instance, it was smart of him to ask #JDVance directly whether #Biden won the 2020 election, & to call Vance’s dodge a “damning non-answer.”

It was not exactly a masterful showing, though. #Walz seemed uncomfortable in the format compared to the smooth-talking #Vance, …& he often missed opportunities to call out Vance’s #lies….

In doing so, though, #JDVance said many misleading or totally untrue things [#lies], such as that #Trump saved #Obamacare, that #immigrants caused the US #housing crisis, & that Trump was merely peacefully discussing “problems” w/the 2020 election rather than blatantly trying to steal that election from the rightful winner, Joe #Biden.

#VPdebate #Election2024 #Vote

This fucking bullshut about forcing #CatholicHospitals to perform #abortions? THEY ARE PRIVATELY OWNED!!! #Catholic Hospitals — ANY #RELIGIOUS BUSINESS — is not publicly funded!!! Not subject to federally funded institution regulations!!!!

#Lies!!!! #TimWalz #JDVance #VPdebate #Election2024 #Vote #VoteBlue #HarrisWalz2024

But:

"In fact, while Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina all declared emergencies and requested and received federal approval of those declarations before the hurricane hit, [Tennessee] Governor Lee did not."

#Republicans #hurricane #Helene #Tennessee #lies #disinformation
/2

Heather Cox Richardson reports that late Friday, Tennessee House Republican Caucus chair Jeremy Faison posted a statement online that President Biden had "finally" approved emergency funding for Tennessee after Helene hit. He made it seem that Biden had delayed approving emergency funding.

#Republicans #hurricane #Helene #Tennessee #lies #disinformation
/1

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-29-2024

September 29, 2024

Late Friday night, Tennessee House Republican Caucus chair Jeremy Faison posted “President Biden has finally approved [Tennessee governor Bill Lee’s] state of emergency request,” making it sound as if the delay in federal support for the state during…

^{Heather Cox Richardson (Letters from an American)}

"Instead, in keeping with an April joint resolution from the Republican-dominated Tennessee legislature calling for 31 days of prayer and fasting to 'seek God’s hand of mercy healing on Tennessee,' Lee proclaimed September 27 'a voluntary Day of Prayer & Fasting.'

Lee did not declare a state of emergency until late on September 27, after flash flooding had already created havoc. President Biden approved it immediately."

#Republicans #hurricane #Helene #Tennessee #lies #disinformation
/3

"CBS’s decision is mostly significant as an indication of how powerful institutions will bend to Trump should he win the presidency. Many are bending already, when he has no official power and is behind in the polls."

#Trump #JDVance #lies #disinformation #PoliticsofHate #media #MediaFail #CBS
/2

"CBS announced over the weekend that moderators Margaret Brennan and Norah O’Donnell will not correct any lies when vice presidential candidates Tim Walz and JD Vance meet in New York to debate on Tuesday night."

~ Brian Beutler

#Trump #JDVance #lies #disinformation #PoliticsofHate #media #MediaFail #CBS
/1

https://www.offmessage.net/p/media-incentivizes-trump-authoritarianism

How The Media Incentivizes Right-Wing Authoritarianism

Capitulation is complicity.

^{Brian Beutler (Off Message)}

Elliot Kirschner, who used to work for CBS, says CBS is giving the Trump-Vance team "a license to lie" and that this is "a danger to democracy." Their decision not to factp-check is "a bit like saying firefighters should wait until the house has burned to the ground before picking up the hose—or, at best, suggesting the residents form their own bucket brigade."

#Trump #JDVance #lies #disinformation #PoliticsofHate #media #MediaFail #CBS
/3

https://elliotkirschner.substack.com/p/a-license-to-lie

A License to Lie

A danger to democracy

^{Elliot Kirschner (Through the Fog, by Elliot Kirschner)}

#KamalaHarris’s recent remarks on the #economy have focused on aiding the ambitions of young #families, first-time #homeowners & #SmallBusiness owners. Today, Harris is expanding that vision, to people who are struggling to make ends meet.

“I am a #capitalist,” #Harris said, directly countering #Trump’s BS attack #lies that she is a left-wing socialist.

#OpportunityEconomy #economy #KamalaHarris #VoteBlue #HarrisWalz2024

"News of Roberts’s alleged comments to colleagues comes as #Trump, the #Republican nominee for president, & his running mate, #JDVance, have engaged in a #racist & false #propaganda campaign to demonize #Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, #Ohio, by claiming that they have been killing & eating people’s #pets. The xenophobic claims... have incited multiple bomb threats that have disrupted the #Springfield community."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/24/project-2025-kevin-roberts-killed-dog

#GOP #Lies #TrumpLies #Republicans #News #USA

"Rarely, if ever, has a presidential campaign collapsed from seeming assurance into utter chaos as Trump-Vance has. The campaign seems to have stumbled into a strange unintended message: 'Let’s go to war with Taylor Swift to stop Haitians from eating dogs.'”

~ David Frum

#Trump #JDVance #TaylorSwift #immigrants #Haitians #lies
/16

Gift link below is from Jim Swift at the Bulwark. If it doesn't work here, I suggest clicking the link at Swift's Substack blog.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/trump-vance-x-campaign-losing/679924/?gift=aOVCZp9h14ji1dAW2PyJXaGiJ3-XlyqJOv9yfia2C18&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

What a Losing Campaign Looks Like

How does Donald Trump’s running mate have so much time on his hands?

^{David Frum (The Atlantic)}

How the #Trump Campaign Ran With Rumors [#lies] About Pet-Eating Migrants—After Being Told They Weren’t True

#Springfield, #Ohio, city ofcls were contacted by #JDVance’s team & said the claims were baseless. It didn’t matter & now the town is in #chaos.

#RecklessEndangerment #CulpableNegligence #law #StochasticTerrorism #racism #hate #ConspiracyTheories

#HarrisWalz2024
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/springfield-ohio-pet-eating-claims-haitian-migrants-04598d48

Taking @StitchyMc’s words to heart that #Trump’s sensationalist #racist pet-eating #lies are designed to distract us in our outrage from what matters, so I’m turning back to his (make no mistake — it is his) #authoritarian handbook:

I read the full 900-pg #Project2025 manifesto – here’s why it matters

#HeritageFoundation blueprint describes an #America poisoned by ‘#wokeness’ & overtaken by lawlessness that only *#conservatives* can save

by Rachel Leingang
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/14/project-2025-election

I read the full 900-page Project 2025 manifesto – here’s why it matters

Heritage Foundation blueprint describes an America poisoned by ‘wokeness’ and overtaken by lawlessness that only conservatives can save

^{Rachel Leingang (The Guardian)}

Joyce Vance quotes Greg Sargent, who says,

"Fact-checking MAGA's vile lie about cat-eating Haitians misses the point. It's an *open* assertion of the power to lie with impunity about immigrants as a prelude to 'bloody' removals of millions."

Then she adds,

"It's not just that the Haitian story is ridiculous. It's not just that it’s a lie."

#Trump #JDVance #Republicans #immigrants #Haitians #Ohio #lies #xenophobia #Nazis #genocide
/1

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/ebullient-and-somber

Ebullient and Somber

Emotions today, September 11, 2024, run the gamut from the joy at the remarkable experience of watching Kamala Harris mop the floor with Donald Trump in the debate last night to the horrific sadness of yet another commemoration of the 9/11 anniversar…

^{Joyce Vance (Civil Discourse with Joyce Vance)}

The goal: spread fear, anxiety and conflict.

Eg Canada is broken,

vaccines are scary,

Immigrants eat your pets ,

life is not fair if your white , etc.

Washington's indictment shines a bright light on the dark corners of Russian disinformation operations

As a former KGB officer, Putin has always appreciated the value of working in the shadows.

#Uspol #Uspoli #Cdnpoli #Lies #Russia #Misinformation #BrainWashing #PsychOps #PsychologicalWarfare

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/russia-disinformation-tenet-putin-1.7319469