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After close consideration we have come to the decision to block Threads.net instance wide on all related instances

(mstdn.social, masto.ai, mastodon.coffee, pixey.org, gram.social)

The new Meta policy goes against much we stand for and we will not allow to let it spill over to the Fediverse

I just checked the numbers and it seems Threads is the biggest 'loser' here

On all instances combined we lose just under 100 followers spread across all instances

Threads will lose over 13K total

in reply to stux⚡

Stux and all the mods over there, well done for taking a stand 👏

Hope more admins follow your example.

in reply to stux⚡

Thanks for your thoughtful consideration on this issue, Stux.

I agree with your decision.

in reply to stux⚡

I understand it's rough to lose accounts you follow from Threads but unfortunately it is not worth the risk

Hopefully people on Threads will realize the true origin of the company running their platform and will make the decision to join us here in the Fediverse ❤️ :fediverse:

I really really tried making this work but I cannot go any further

Mark Zuckerberg is a person I cannot and will not with with in any way. Sorry not sorry

in reply to stux⚡

Thanks. I personally think this was a good and reasonable decision, though of course I'm just one person. I also have an account on mstdn.social, so I have some skin in the game.
in reply to stux⚡

indeed, although I expect anyone on threads unhappy with the choices will instead move to bluesky. 🤷‍♂️
The majority remaining just won't care.
in reply to Ivor Hewitt

@ivor
My spouse and her groups are all moving to Bsky. Couldn't get them to understand Mastodon or the fediverse and everyone they know jumped to bluesky because it seemed more familiar and most people they already knew were on it.
in reply to stux⚡

@ivor

*sigh*

I tried, I really did. Same problem with Linux and LibreOffice. So much better in so many ways, but so many still choosing ad bloated or ridiculously expensive Operating Systems. No one listens until finally they get it somehow with their own experience.

in reply to stux⚡

Thanks, stux, fully support you. I had filtered Threads accounts and blocked the domain but this makes it more reliable. I don't want Meta harvesting my personal info or posts because a Threads account crossed the streams.

It's not as if folks can't go to Threads and follow accounts there by other methods.

in reply to stux⚡

Some people may wonder why it's now and not before and I would like to try and explain as good as I can

We are a relative large instance in the Fediverse so that comes with a lot of responsibility in making decisions. One of our main goals is safety but we also want to be open and connective until a certain point

Threads promised to be different and we always kept it with a grain of salt but did let the people decide if they wanted to block or not

The new policy is just far over the fine line

reshared this

in reply to stux⚡

Thank you for this clear decision and thank you for explaining the reasons in this open and transparent way for all federati to see. It is (IMHO) the absolute right decision.
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in reply to stux⚡

building consensus can be a long process, especially when there is a large group of people involved and it is a good thing the fediverse is not a hive mind. A clear red line has been crossed now and thankfully all involved see it now. When things are really clear, consensus becomes easy. Thanks a lot, to all involved in this decision.
in reply to stux⚡

A good and perfectly understandable decision. I believe it was the right decision to allow threads initially. It's also the right decision to reverse that now.
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in reply to stux⚡

Blocked them, was kind of weird to read President Biden's toots on this instance but no possibility to answer was a red flag already.

Good luck, you're doing a wonderful, very responsible job, don't be afraid to make mistakes, 'we' all do.

in reply to stux⚡

Relatively large overall, but I am thinking coffee must be one of the smallest. . . happy to be here!
in reply to stux⚡

I’m new here, and I found it because I was trying to get away from anything connected to Meta or Musk., especially after Zuck’s recent announcement.
However, I don’t know what the Fediverse is - could you explain in language a non-techy can understand? 🤷🏼‍♀️
in reply to Venta

@Venta The "fediverse" is the name for the federated social web -- different platforms which can connect. Just like you used to only be able to send email to another AOL account (if you recall those days!) right now people can only interact with users on the same platform e.g. Facebook. With the fediverse, you can talk between platforms e.g. from Threads to Mastodon and between different Mastodon servers (as well as other services like Flipboard, Ghost, and Pixelfeed). HTH!
in reply to Maj - Michele Ann Jenkins

@maj @Venta Here are some sites on the subject!

fediverse.info
fediverse.party

in reply to stux⚡

@Venta These are great but we also need to develop messaging that doesn't say "Protocol" (or "server" or "platform")... These terms are off putting and don't connect with what people are thinking about ("I want to follow Timothee Chalamet!" "I hate seeing racist and sexist posts!" "I don't want ads" etc...)
in reply to stux⚡

Hey if you read this and have time to - is there a line (or lines) in particular from the new policy that stood out to you? It may help smaller instances like myself make a call on what to do. Thanks!
Edit: I see your earlier post with Marks video - this makes sense. I didn't realize the meta changes making news obviously cause issues with threads and fedi.
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in reply to stux⚡

you've made the right decision. I have now completely cut my ties with them.
in reply to stux⚡

eventually ai will get so good you won't be able to tell and really does it make that much of a difference? good info is good info no matter the source
in reply to stux⚡

Isn’t it too early for this step? As a user, I have not yet noticed anything negative from threads here. Was this because of your good work or because there were hardly any interactions with threads?
in reply to stux⚡

Funfact: i thought mstdn.social and mastodon.social were the same.

TIL I picked the wrong instance. 😞

in reply to stux⚡

Unfortunately many business and companies have a small team, and they will always go where the engagement rate is highest, not what is the best platform. We had to ask #TheGreenParty to turn on federation option so that we can network with them even after a long time of asking them to do the right thing and #JoinMastodon, they have joined #bluesky. The networking effect is the biggest at play, and many more people will likely leave Mastodon for Bluesky.
in reply to stux⚡

some people will lose good people they follow on Threads but otherwise, it would certainly be unfair for admins and mods here on Mastodon to waste the time and energy to moderate a mountain of stuff coming from the nasty side of Threads. If Threads want to federate they need to share the responsibility to moderate.
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in reply to stux⚡

thank you for at least giving it a try. I'm happy you didn't block them right away, and that you're acting now
in reply to stux⚡

Mastodon fellow citizen stux⚡.

Isolate evil to itself.

A brilliance that took me awhile to understand.

And appreciate.
ST

"The universe is self correcting, as ultimately a balance of forces, from physical to societal, must be achieved.

In fact the ultimate definition of hope is that the point of balance can be changed.

Yielding good or evil, and life or death."
SearingTruth

in reply to stux⚡

it’s the right thing to do. They want it it to seem hard, to seem like well it’s terrible over there, but there is some good and we don’t want to lose that… that’s the trap, to make you think it’s inescapable. See it with Facebook and older folk in the US, and in so many countries with WhatsApp. Sometimes doing the right thing is painful, but I do believe, in the end, it is better for the soul.
in reply to stux⚡

Very courageous to block the largest ActivityPub instance! 😮

From which I've had 0 followings and 0 followers.🙄

in reply to stux⚡

A person (the person?) I was following on Threads was
*checks notes*
President Biden.
I don't think he will object to your decision, somehow.
in reply to stux⚡

it's a shame that nobody on threads will know what happened or why
in reply to stux⚡

Regardless of wether this is the right thing to do, I fear you're misinterpreting this dialog. It says that 8611 people on mstdn.social now lost the ability to follow their favorite people on #threads.

Only 44 people on Threads can't follow their favorite people on mstdn.social anymore.

The loss weighs mostly on mstdn.social.

in reply to Jorijn

@jorijn I know, i know, but i hope they will notice it in the numbers somehow 😉
in reply to stux⚡

if Mr. Meta can stomach such a strange decision, I highly doubt he'll lose any sleep over this. Good of you to make a decision, though :)
in reply to Jorijn

@jorijn :blobcatgiggle: im kinda sure he doesn't notices or cares but it's more us ❤️

Mark can go to that firey hot place down below :blobblush:

in reply to stux⚡

I was hoping for this the day Threads Federated, but even though it's later then I wanted it to be, thanks for blocking them
in reply to stux⚡

maybe only 100 followers but those of us who follow decent people on threads have now lost being able to see them. Why block those who aren't the problem? Seems short-sighted to me. Are the majority of posters on threads a problem? if not then why not individual blocks for offenders? It's like blocking everyone that lives in a "red" state, including those who don't vote that way.
in reply to stux⚡

How will threads be affected by this? Threads do not show posts from fedverse. :bd01:
in reply to stux⚡

thank you! Thinking of this community as a whole, I also think this a great decision! 😻 :neocat_heart:
in reply to stux⚡

I'd ask you to consider reconsidering in a few months. This might be a rash decision.
in reply to stux⚡

As someone with an account there and here I respect that decision and support and agree with it.

Thanks for the update.
👍

in reply to stux⚡

this is why the fediverse is best. If people don't like it, they can simply move to a different instance.
in reply to stux⚡

thank you. It sounds it was a well considered decision. It is getting very scary out.
in reply to stux⚡

Bravo. I don’t think my instance has done that, but I am going to try the other options to block them on my own.
in reply to stux⚡

Hey I get it. Thanks for being able to make the difficult but correct choice.
in reply to stux⚡

The best time to have joined the #fedipact was two years ago.

Second best time is right now.

Welcome.

in reply to stux⚡

Thanks. They were given a chance and decided to revamp as a Nazi bar, so glad to see the door slammed shut on them.
in reply to stux⚡

whew. it'd suck to see that sewer backed up into the fedi, makes sense to weld it shut
in reply to stux⚡

well we don't know how much harm was already done.

Also good decision.

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in reply to stux⚡

Good on you for standing up for the KiwiFarms clone, Meta. 👍

Here's a link to #BlockMeta as a list of domains that's updated regularly :

infosec.exchange/@antimeta@bot…

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in reply to stux⚡

Good move.

Literally nothing is stopping Thread accounts from having an additional fedi acct to extend their reach. I know for a fact there are people on Bluesky who still pop over here to repost content and interact.

in reply to stux⚡

It's tempting to rhyme, but I don't want to be that (overtly) crass.
DUMP ZUCK!
in reply to stux⚡

I was horrified when I read about their policy change. Thank you for your work!
in reply to stux⚡

I will be sad to lose access to people who provide disaster information since I will not be on threads but I understand completely.
in reply to stux⚡

Where is the admin level blocking? I haven't found it yet. I need to server level block it. I just can't find it.
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in reply to stux⚡

Well done, @stux - I’m sure this was a difficult decision for you, but I think you’ve made the right call.
in reply to stux⚡

I have blocked threads.net at the server level here at the-gathering.space as well. Its a shame. I did follow some (good) people on threads.net but I no longer want to support anything Meta.

Thank you for bringing this to light.

in reply to stux⚡

great decision, thank you for your fortitude! I find the people who complained early on really tiring. I think it's much more mature to adapt to change than to be rigid and miss out on opportunities. You tried, you learnt, you grow, that's the way it should be!
in reply to stux⚡

Thanks. If a person really wants to see threads, Vivaldi Social has access. I set up a threads only account there to see what was going on over at threads without contaminating my main account. Not that much is going on at threads, it turns out. 😅 But I did learn what a nice instance Vivaldi is.🙂
in reply to stux⚡

Thank you for making this decision.

While I'm a bit sad I no longer can follow those 4-5 Threads accounts I was following, I 100% support the decision to block Threads.

in reply to stux⚡

Thank you! I blocked Threads personally months ago. Delighted to see them get the Big Boot.
in reply to stux⚡

I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I agree that it was the right one. Thank you for your work! (And for your 😺 pics :-)).
in reply to stux⚡

Glad you made the very difficult and tough decision to block #Threads
in reply to stux⚡

Meta's bad behavior is pretty egregious at this point. I support this.
in reply to stux⚡

I completely agree with your reasoning and your decision.
Thank you for doing the right thing.
in reply to stux⚡

Good call.

*** 🙂 everyone don't forget to send him some money to keep our "free" site up 😉 **

in reply to stux⚡

This is another good reason:
mastodon.social/@blogdiva/1106…
in reply to stux⚡

thank you, Stux. Meta changing their moderation and fact checking policies to embrace racism, misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia is horrible. Thank you again.
in reply to stux⚡

TY as always. A well reasoned and good approach. I have zero trust in anything Meta related or adjacent. I appreciate how you are open and direct about key decisions like this one. All the best as always.
in reply to stux⚡

No argument from me — thank you for all you do. ❤️
in reply to stux⚡

Wrong decision. Time to migrate outside stux's defederalized space.
in reply to stux⚡

I think the vast majority of people here support this decision
in reply to stux⚡

it’s now official Facebook becomes #Fakebook - land of unrestrained free speech and the home of alternative facts
in reply to stux⚡

Ty for holding firm to our values, thru the noise. Good looking out. 🌸
in reply to stux⚡

I understand your decision. Unfortunately, this means voices for democracy such as #JeffTiedrich and #AaronRupar will be silenced at a time in the US where we are fighting to save #Democracy.

Thanks for what and the other system administrators do to keep the wheels on the bus.

in reply to stux⚡

Everyone needs to get off Facebook, Instagram, and threads.

Mark Zuckerberg announced these sites will no longer fact check. So now these sites are no different than Twitter/X. They will be full of lies and hate!!!

PS sell your stock in Meta. It's going to lose value as people leave the sites!!!

in reply to stux⚡

Thank you. Better late than never.

Now let’s see what the biggest Mastodon instance does. Is this enough to tip them over the line? Amazing that this level of unabashed fascist policy is what it has to take for the so-called ethical alternatives to block an entity that has literally fueled a genocide and whose business model has always been based on exploiting people. Maybe next time folks will act sooner and deny them their social capital to begin with.

in reply to Aral Balkan

@aral I doubt very much people realize what they do when they subscribe to a commercial instance that is "free", they have no clue that they pay by giving away their privacy, and that is just the beginning.
in reply to stux⚡

The follower mismatch is because Threads still doesn't *really* allow its users to follow Mastodon accounts...

lifehacker.com/tech/you-can-no…

in reply to stux⚡

👏
Why this took so long mystifies me.

"Awe, let's give the sociopathic corporations another chance" never made sense, and people only have the balls or sense to stand up to them the *next" time they abuse and take on us and it's impossible to ignore. 🤷‍♂️
#Threads #Meta

in reply to stux⚡

It really sucks that you had to make that decision, but it is good to see that you had the intestinal fortitude to make it.
in reply to stux⚡

Thank you for taking a stand against hatred and bigotry!