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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
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Months of me wanting to scream, “but we’re the audience for this, not you!” Into an internet void.
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Not me being actual walking Captain Ake as a senior engineer and military veteran.
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Everyone who says "Not my *insert franchise here*" is speaking from a place of misguided nostalgia.

Yes, I'm a straight white man. I also grew up on Next Generation Trek and the TOS movies. Anyone who says Discovery and Starfleet Academy aren't Star Trek needs their heads examined.

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The way she doesn't like to wear shoes and how she drops herself into seats give off so much ADHD energy! But combined with her self-confidence it becomes mind-blowing.

That is you? Awesome!! 🤩

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Straight old white guy here. I was totally into Starfleet Academy. Commander Reno is my spirit animal.
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I was actually thinking about this as I was watching #StarfleetAcademy.

I'm an absolutely from-the-start 1st Gen #Trekkie

& I have my issues with the quality of some of the writing.

But I can't express how stoked I am to see the wild range & variety of characters. It's just so freakin' glorious.

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“solely”, not even “primarily “.

I mean I’m from the 70s, straight, male, cis and white Irish (more or less) and I enjoyed them but it’s an outrage they weren’t designed just for me. 🙄

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I’m
so tired: I don’t want more fucking stories about me, I want to see other stories.
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I haven’t really seen either but it does make me wonder if the historical acceptance/championing of Uhura, Sulu, and (to a lesser extent) Chekhov only happened because Kirk being there and in command was reassuring to that original audience…
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Yup. Lots of men need to learn that, “Not everything is for you.”

Fortunately Discovery and Academy have plenty for straight white millennial cis men to enjoy, too.

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I enjoyed both. Really enjoyed SFA, actually. Definitely not envious of Ake's Frank Lloyd Wright inspired office. No, not at all… 🙄
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The weird thing is…I don’t think those older guys were bothered about relating to characters. The major difference between old trek and new as I see it is the focus of the shows. Old trek was about story with characters being pretty thin props for whatever story there was that week. New trek is the other way around - very shakey thin story as props for character focus.

I hope they do a show that’s both again, like DS9 became.

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I hadn’t had time to watch Starfleet Academy, but the way certain demographics reacted sounded like it was worth the watch, Discovery had its moments that were a bit flat but largely I enjoyed it particularly after the jump to the 32nd
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as a straight white old dude I could not agree with you more. The show came at us from a completely different vector and I am sad that it was cancelled.
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As a straight, cis, white millennial male my only gripe with Discovery is that it wasn’t set int the 32nd century from the beginning. These shows live up to Star Trek’s core ideals and are products of their time tackling issues of their time, just as the Treks that came before them did.

People who bemoan “woke” Star Trek never truly understood it to begin with.

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Discovery is the only one I've watched a full series of and I take a sick pleasure in letting certain people know this.

I'm not the target audience for these "legacy franchise" things anyway. I'll watch utter muck if it's at least new. But if you are going to do something in a really well-established setting it only makes sense to try something new.

(Andor did this but in a "stories for boys" way so that's allowed, or something)

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As a stale pale male, the thing that bothers me most about Academy and post-jump Disco is the ship sections not touching. That's three ships in formation! That is not one ship! I don't care if it identifies as the same ship!
Ok, I'll go back to my oatmeal now.
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Kurtzman Trek apologists really need to pick a lane between "Trek has always been woke" and "Finally, the first Trek that is not solely for toxic white dudebros" it's VERY confusing
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Actually I am straight white male and Gen X and I love Starfleet Academy and I love the glorious queerness of Discovery even if Michael is to much of a Mary Sue. I think who doesn't and calls themselves a trekker should read up on the IDIC principle.
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I'm a straight white woman, but I fucking love starfleet academy. It is a great show. And anyone who thinks it's a departure from Star Trek in "wokeness" hasn't paid attention.
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One thing that really struck me when watching Discovery is how much the franchise focuses on war now. I don't know why that show. It's not the first by far. It just hit me though and I wonder how Roddenberry would have liked that. Every Star Trek, even one called "Discovery", is primarily full of war.

Exciting. It's a good, fun show. I like it. But it hit me.

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Cis, Het, Older White Guy here. I LOVE DISCOVERY! I LOVE STARDATE:90210! I AM AMBIVALENT ABOUT PICARD! I LOVE STRANGE NEW WORLDS!

IOW, until now, I've loved every series even if it took a while to warm to DS9. I love all three animated series.

Except for a couple, I do draw the line at the movies. All of them are… watchable but only a couple are good (ST2:TWOK, ST4:TOWTW, IMHO).

If any new Trek dross ever leaks from Paramaga, it's likely to be garbage.

#FuckParamount

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TOS has a main character whose parents are different species and no one is surprised that they are married. The idea that the gender of people in a relationship would bother people in such a society seems weird.

It’s probably necessary for audience comprehension, but the idea that we’d still be using gendered pronouns in the 23rd century grated on me quite a bit as a teenager watching TNG for the first time (especially since they did try to make the titles and forms of address in Starfleet gender-neutral). At least Iain M Banks put in translator note explaining that this was an artefact of your reading the book in a stupid language and not the original Marain.

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Huh, I have never heard of "Starfleet Academy". Had to route through Atlanta in the USA to even see the trailer as it wasn't available anywhere else. I liked it though. Though I liked Discovery too so I'm probably, as you say, the target audience... for once.
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I guess we were supposed to be happy with the quiet subplots and innuendo that TNG was so fond of? Sigh. Though I think Academy veered toward the juvenile at times, I applaud it for being genuine and inclusive.

#StarTrek #StarfleetAcademy #woke #LGBTQ #neurodivergent

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