BREAKING!
The Antifa Turtle on #Twitter shared a Twitter API okta leak that shows there is a list of "protected accounts", all of them right wing, who are allowed to break #X Terms Of Services without consequence and includes a list of whitelisted slurs they are allowed to use.
The whistle-blowing Twitter account was suspended by mods shortly after.
#elonmusk #freespeech #whistleblower #leak @UnicornRiot @freedomofpress @OffTheHook
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Renรฉ Dario ๐บ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ง๐ฎ๐ป๐ต๐ฝ๐ง๐ฝโ๐ป๐๏ธ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •I would love to see this covered by the likes of CNN/NY times, etc.
Edit: I guess this was faked. It's easy to believe, though.
Matthew Sheffield
in reply to Renรฉ Dario ๐บ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ง๐ฎ๐ป๐ต๐ฝ๐ง๐ฝโ๐ป๐๏ธ • • •@renedario People are trying to cover the story but this screenshot is not proof of anything.
You can't say there's an API leak and then not explain how it was done.
I've been in touch w/some of the people but this seems very possibly just a Discord prank. The AntifaTurtle account did not have any info
DEFCON 201
in reply to Matthew Sheffield • • •@mattsheffield @renedario There needs to be a proper investigation.
The thing that makes this a giant red flag is the fact that people have claimed worse actual disinfo about Twitter, especially after Elon Musk has been in charge and they've left it up with no problems.
Why target this one and why so AGGRESSIVELY if it's not true?
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Matthew Sheffield
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •@renedario The image is posted all over Twitter. I have been promoted it in the trending topics feature repeatedly.
This one account got suspended which means it was probably reported by someone as distributing "hacked material" and then nuked by a bot.
The story is not being suppressed on Twitter at all.
DEFCON 201
in reply to Matthew Sheffield • • •This account was the source account. People started to uploaded it with issue and so many have now uploaded it the mods have given up, each one has a misinfo tag with ZERO.correction on what the misinformation is unlike other labels.
J Davis ๐๏ธ๐งญ๐๐ฆ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •@mattsheffield @renedario
Matt, it's so horrible for Elon that this is totally in his wheelhouse as a kind of thing he would do and people don't believe he didn't do it.
I'm so sorry that I believe he did this and he did it with with great enthusiasm.
It's also unfortunate that I start suspecting people who make excuses for historically awful people.
Matthew Sheffield
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •@renedario The image was making the rounds in Discord before it came to Twitter. It is not authentic.
Okta has explicitly denied that the URL portrayed in the image is valid. Okta is a sign-on app, not a moderation tool.
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/twitter-api-leak/
Furthermore, any list of whitelisted users would not be based upon their displayed name since anyone could have the same display name. This is basic structured data programming.
Experts Cast Doubt On 'Twitter API Leak'
Mikael Thalen (The Daily Dot)Hunterrules
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •@mos_8502
@chrisisgr8
Im not believing a single screenshot until I see proof. anyone can fake a discord message and the top of the message showing the username is perfectly cropped out. the way the variables are named so perfectly named and so long leads me to believe its fake I mean who names a variable "wordlist-ignore-for-protected-users". But the thing that comfirms its fake is that the link they gave in the text is not registered or exists. its a fake link that does not exist at least through a whois search. all of these things lead me to believe its fake or at the very least altered
DEFCON 201
in reply to Hunterrules • • •@Hunterrules0_o @mos_8502 @chrisisgr8
Great Question: If this was fake, why was the account suspended?
Hunterrules
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •defnull
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to defnull • • •@defnull First of all, Twitter both pre and post Elon Musk have done exactly what you said in the past real whistleblowers. Second, the problem is is that people have shared including influential people on that platform. Wildly damaging misinformation about Twitter that wasn't true at all and the worst they had received was a warning on their post.
Why Target this one and why Target it so aggressively if it's not true?
They're not just putting a warning. They're trying to erase it.
DEFCON 201
in reply to Hunterrules • • •@Hunterrules0_o @mos_8502 @chrisisgr8
Also you support the @fsf aka digital squatting but not physical real life squatting?
Yikes.
Hunterrules
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in reply to Hunterrules • • •@Hunterrules0_o @mos_8502 @chrisisgr8 @fsf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists
open letter written by Bill Gates
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Hunterrules
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Hunterrules
in reply to Hunterrules • • •@mos_8502 @chrisisgr8
@renedario
edit: hackernews is removing links to this story and people are also saying its ragebait. its safe to say. this is fake. just another person or antifa member whose full of shit
DEFCON 201
in reply to Hunterrules • • •Hunterrules
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Hunterrules • • •@Hunterrules0_o @mos_8502 @chrisisgr8 @renedario That still doesn't excuse that. It's also been equally wrong In the past over things such as doxing the completely wrong people and spreading massive conspiracy theories that end up being false and harming literal countries.
And you still haven't answered our question about the aggressive validity of this.
Renรฉ Dario ๐บ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ง๐ฎ๐ป๐ต๐ฝ๐ง๐ฝโ๐ป๐๏ธ
in reply to Hunterrules • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Renรฉ Dario ๐บ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ง๐ฎ๐ป๐ต๐ฝ๐ง๐ฝโ๐ป๐๏ธ • • •Hunterrules
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •David Scott Moyer
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Frances Larina
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Civil agencies, nonpartisan officials and departments, Democratic politicians, LGBTQ people and organizations, abortion rights proponents, and so on...they all really should leave Twitter.
They are providing Elon with a cover of legitimacy and perceived neutrality. They are complicit.
dswinterton
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Cirdan Lunae
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Cirdan Lunae • • •@cirdanlunae
That's the part that makes this so questionable.
We don't know if the actual leak is real or not. There needs to be an investigation. Normally when misinformation is posed about Twitter, they simply add a misinformation warning.
The fact that they're trying to blurt this off of the entire platform Auto flagging it when people post it speaks volumes.
They don't even do that for political stuff of any spectrum when it's false.
pyrrhlin
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41063162
X suspends account that leaked info about protected user TOS bypass | Hacker News
news.ycombinator.comHarbinger of Salem
in reply to pyrrhlin • • •@Pyrrhlin
I value truth; more than anything else
But I cant imagine in 1943 a bunch of American Journalists standing around the war pool going "I dunno this rumor about Hitler sounds fake" and spending nine times more time doing it than helping the allies
Yet consistently this is what happens
DEFCON 201
in reply to pyrrhlin • • •Tofu Golem
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •tom jennings
in reply to Tofu Golem • • •@tofugolem
That alone is not evidence that it is true.
True or not this is ragebait. If true it's actionable, probably, not that I have any idea how.
But look it's late 2024; being righteously outraged over stuff like this is pure emotional indulgence. There's nothing to be shocked or surprised by here.
We need to be more strategic. Ragebait benefits the extremists. Passing this list on to people who can act on it, then ignoring it, is better then winding yourself up for each turd that floats past on the screen.
Tofu Golem
in reply to tom jennings • • •@tomjennings
The Internet has been exploding with news about this all day.
Are you going to tell me that it's a conspiracy and that Elon is the innocent victim here?
Hunterrules
in reply to Tofu Golem • • •@tofugolem @tomjennings yes its fake ragebait https://techhub.social/@Hunterrules0_o/112844100237198213
Hunterrules
2024-07-24 23:38:42
DEFCON 201
in reply to Hunterrules • • •Has not been officially confirmed that. Stop acting like you're an authority on this when you're not.
Hunterrules
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in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Elle ๐
in reply to Tofu Golem • • •@tofugolem
@tomjennings Things that confirm your biases are exactly the things you should be skeptical of and double check you have good justification for believing it. That's not the same as dismissing it as a conspiracy theory.
In this case personally I don't know if there are better sources, there may already be and this is very legit I just haven't looked. I wouldn't take this screenshot as definitive on its own though.
DEFCON 201
in reply to Elle ๐ • • •We are not saying if the post is true or not. The bigger news here is not only does Twitter have a history of doing fuckery with their coding like this, which is why even if it's fake. It's so believable, but the fact that Twitter is actively targeting an aggressively going after this piece of information instead of simply putting a warning is very telling.
Tofu Golem
in reply to Elle ๐ • • •I'm not on Twitter, so I can't verify, but the user who posted this did get banned. It's not just over screenshot.
Elle ๐
in reply to Tofu Golem • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Elle ๐ • • •@ellesaurus @tofugolem The problem with that logic is that there are a ton of account who use way more slurs than this and have also actively doxped people and yet Twitter doesn't do anything about those accounts both on the left and the right.
This is why it's so alarming because it comes off as they're trying to hide something.
Tofu Golem
in reply to Elle ๐ • • •@ellesaurus
Look, normally I appreciate being called out for having insufficient evidence, but you're really just fishing now, and it's obvious.
What's your stake in this?
Tofu Golem
in reply to Tofu Golem • • •@ellesaurus
I find this argument odd. The people in that screenshot weren't being banned. Everyone knows that people are no longer being banned for saying racist things on Twitter.
And yet we're supposed to believe that Twitter banned him for posting something racist when they didn't ban any of the people in the screenshot who were saying racist things?
That's what the whole complaint is about.
Elle ๐
in reply to Tofu Golem • • •@tofugolem It's basic skepticism. A single, unnamed, random source of a screenshot of alleged code is not sufficient evidence.
My "stake in this" is being more intellectually honest than the people we deride for not being more skeptical of the shit they share.
And yes, we already know Twitter biases large right-wing accounts. So someone small spreading something full of slurs and using that to attack the site is something I'd expect to get banned, even if fabricated.
DEFCON 201
in reply to Elle ๐ • • •@ellesaurus @tofugolem Again, that's what makes this so weird because especially under Elon Musk control slander and misinformation post at best get simple misinformation warnings attached to them with clarifications of how it's misinformation.
Them outright instabanning and insta deleting posts on their platform. Trying to share this is extremely unusual and unheard of on the current platform.
That's why it made news. If it wasn't deleted people would have just shrugged.
Tofu Golem
in reply to Elle ๐ • • •@ellesaurus
Again, you are positing that this person got banned for paying a screenshot of racist stuff, while the people in the screenshot didn't get banned.
So even if you're right, all your did was prove the same point made by the original post.
Normally, I enjoy this topic. I like when people call me out on this exact thing.
But I still want to know what is motivating you to make these strangely circular arguments.
Elle ๐
in reply to Tofu Golem • • •@tofugolem
I wasn't claiming this *is* why the account was banned, I was giving an example of an unrelated reason it *could* be.
Let's simplify it.
I don't need to prove to you why the account was suspended. It could have been any number of reasons.
If you want to say, "this user got banned because the claims are true" you need to demonstrate that. That is not something self-evident and it does not logically follow. It could be. But that's another claim that we aren't justified in believing.
DEFCON 201
in reply to Elle ๐ • • •@ellesaurus @tofugolem I think the fact that every time someone tries to share it even with the stuff redacted they either get their account banned. The post gets attempted to be deleted or Our favorite they actually do the misinformation warning bump, but unlike all the others do not provide an explanation on why it's misinformation.
That's Why we reported this in the first place? It's seems like there's a Streisand effect going on right here and it's very concerning.
Steam Powered Frisbee
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Paul Schoonhoven ๐ ๐
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •@dangillmor it is time for the more decent people that Twitter is not the place to be...
-You just don't want your public messages between the dirt of others.-
@defcon201 @UnicornRiot @freedomofpress @OffTheHook
Chop
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Chuck
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in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Tessie for Harris
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Free Soft&Hardware Enthusiast
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Reed Mideke
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •BREAKING! completely unverified screenshot from rando twitter account shows provocatively named lists of provocative words!
(Elon is a fashy POS who obviously plays favorites for his fashy pals, but I see zero evidence that is anything other than extremely bad hoax)
Taya Nielsen
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in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Schneckbert ๐
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Content warning: strong language
krolden
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Jay ๐บ๐ฆ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Please spread!
No pasarรกn.
Pรคr Bjรถrklund
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •George Saich
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Karb ๐
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Content warning: Re: Apparent X "leaks", doubt
While it wouldn't surprise me if this was true, I still think this "leak" doesn't look like something real.
Even if we ignore a lot of missing info around the post in general, some of the picked "slurs" seem....off.
Like why would "Mexican" be in there?
I can post about the "delicious Mexican Taco" I just had or wish everyone a "happy Mexican heritage day".
That just doesn't make much sense to me
PrivateMe
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Crafty
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Laura Orchid
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •tudsamfa
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Most likely fake, I'm not tech savvy enough to disprove it, but that is a really short list for an entire site, you'd expect at least some Chinese/Indian/French users and Kewords, yet nothing suggests this screenshot shows 1 of many lists.
Also, why Twitter handles and not account IDs?
Boomy
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Glen
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Hey just gonna say this is almost certainly fake. I work with Okta logs constantly as part of my job and Okta usually returns API responses as JSON objects and not arrays.
The formatting of this response isn't consistent
also why is Okta involved at all for this? Wouldn't this be internal twitter APIs?
I'd love to be proven wrong but until there is more evidence I'm saying it's fake
belago
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Ahmet Kamil Keleล
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •This is very possibly fake. A screenshot like this can't be the proof of an API leak. Last thing we need is misinformation when we are dealing with fascists like Musk.
And wouldn't a kind of protection be made internally in X, somewhere we can't reach from outside with Twitter API?
mosttoast
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •LinuxUserGD
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Chris Petrilli (@petrillic@hachyderm.io)
Hachyderm.ioPypeBros
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Ellie (batteries not included)
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Toran J. Shaw
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •FandaSin
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Well, not that shocked.๐
das4ndi
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •i know the Okta API and this looks not as an Okta API url. It doesn't work that way.
@kleinertod
DEFCON 201
in reply to das4ndi • • •@das4ndi @kleinertod
Even though it's currently being investigated, would you like to go through exact details on what is exactly not lining up or matching up.
das4ndi
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •@kleinertod Oktas API doesn't have subdomains.
So if Twitter would have an Okta tenant their API url would be twitter.okta.com. (for example)
There are no subtenants or such, which this could suggest.
Also, as pointed out in another comment, Okta is not used for things like that. If Twitter would use Okta it would be mainly for Access Management (basically for the login), not settings/options within Twitter. It would be very unusual.
DEFCON 201
in reply to das4ndi • • •@das4ndi @kleinertod You're also not supposed to push an entire patch into something that's connected to the BIOS. That's nothing but zeros because something like that would brick the entire internet for 6 hours.
Surely no professional grade company that World governments and corporations trust would ever do such a thing.
Right?
DEFCON 201
in reply to das4ndi • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to das4ndi • • •das4ndi
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Let's say you really have to want to believe this to be true in order to make anything out of it.
As said before, that's not how this or an Identity service like Okta works.
To the trained eye this screenshot is the equivalent of an ordinary car flying in the air. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
DEFCON 201
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in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •๐ธ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ
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in reply to ๐ธ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ • • •๐ธ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to ๐ธ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ • • •@malin This is like when the IDF says, have you seen the footage? We're obviously not massacring people and then we type in stuff and just see nothing of videos of Israeli soldiers, killing Israelis and Palestinians.
People have offered theories so far, not facts. That's why we shared this because our focus is on how bad twitter's response has been. It's so unusual and shows how bad the platform is now.
๐ธ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •The subdomain does not exist.
If you can open a shell prompt, execute:
> nslookup protected-users.twitter.okta.com
If you can't open a shell prompt, then I don't know why you're telling people how the internet works.
DEFCON 201
in reply to ๐ธ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to ๐ธ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ • • •Utility Nerd
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Utility Nerd • • •Utility Nerd
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •So here's some evidence:
1. This is a fairly small number of accounts. I would expect a lot more, but no, those lists are complete at the number of items shown.
2. Okta is not used for this kind of thing. It's a secure sign-in service, not where you'd keep this.
3. It uses usernames instead of IDs or e-mail addresses. You can change your username on Twitter; it's probably not how things are filtered on the back end.
1/2
Utility Nerd
in reply to Utility Nerd • • •4. There are words on the ignore-list that don't need to be there, like "illegal", and words that would normally be added that aren't (which I won't get into).
5. The regex is not using any regex.
I can't prove it, but I feel like the evidence is fairly strong. If there are lists like this - which I don't know if there are or not - this isn't them.
2/2
DEFCON 201
in reply to Utility Nerd • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Utility Nerd • • •@UtilityNerd We would also like to repeat that we remembered for many many years that cloud strike was seen as a very integral professional company and if you would have brought up the idea that they would send a really insanely bad patch that would brick the entire internet for 6 hours cuz they didn't know q&A you would have been laughed out of the programmers meeting.
But here we are.
Utility Nerd
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Before you share a "leak" with a list of API + names (?) as a "fact": Did anyone independent checked it? Could be sth for a fact check by @Bellingcat
I see a lot of technical doubts here in the comments (fake, hoax, prank). No one has yet proven that the so-called leak is authentic. So you should not post it as a "fact"!
@UnicornRiot @freedomofpress @OffTheHook
#misinformation #disinformation
DEFCON 201
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC @Bellingcat
When in our post did we ever say that this is fact? ๐ซ
We simply shared that something really suspicious happened on Twitter and the details about what happened.
That's all.
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •1. Your wording induces it: "there *is* a list" instead of "would be" etc.
If it would have been clear, you hadn't so many fact checkers telling you that it's a fake.
2. To fight the increasing #disinformation in the internet, it helps to clearly mark something as #fake, #hoax or #prank. This can promote media literacy!
3. No, it was not suspicious, people told you the background in comments. Maybe just take seriously those fact-checkers.
@UnicornRiot @freedomofpress @OffTheHook
Alec Perkins
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •Alec Perkins
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •among other issues: it has misspellings of known usernames and reveals no additional users that would be expected of such a leak; the cert is invalid; the payload includes word lists in an SSO endpoint which makes no sense at a technical level. Plus a slur list would surely be much longer, this is clearly trying to fit a screenshot.
FUD meaning โFear, Uncertainty, and Doubtโ predates crypto bros by literal decades so Iโm not going to cede that term to those shitheads.
@futurebird
DEFCON 201
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •Alec Perkins
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •that is a ridiculous comparison that minimizes the harm caused by real slurs. Is there some other definition I'm missing or are you just not a fan of that crowd using it? I see many uses of it in my feed going back just a few months, from all sorts of people, no crypto bros. So if you're associating it with a particular crowd maybe you need to consider your networks?
@futurebird
DEFCON 201
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •Alec Perkins
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •Alec Perkins
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •@alec We will put it this way. Some of our members have been around since the '60s and most of our members have been around since the '80s and '90s. And we've been doing social media on this platform since 2017 and we also have been on social media since the internet went public in 1995.
We have heard others use PEBKAC.
You're the first who we've seen say FUD in a non-blockchain usage. ๐
Now imagine everyone else. ๐
Alec Perkins
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Alec Perkins
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •DEFCON 201
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in reply to Alec Perkins • • •Alec Perkins
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •okay well maybe this is a case of context collapse on my part, but the post I was responding to very clearly presented this screenshot as "breaking" definitive evidence of malfeasance by Twitter, which it is not at all.
@futurebird
DEFCON 201
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •Alec Perkins
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in reply to Alec Perkins • • •โข๏ธยฅ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to โข๏ธยฅ • • •@tomey @alec @futurebird If you could actually read we didn't. Use that word as an example of a word used to meaning something that now has a completely different undesirable meaning now. We also offered up that swastikas used to universally be seen as just a Buddhist religious concept and now thanks to Nazi Germany.we can't have nice things.
Reading comprehension would do wonders for you. ๐
โข๏ธยฅ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to โข๏ธยฅ • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Alec Perkins • • •Angry Sun
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •> please stop using the word FUD you could say that it's misinformation because FUD is used by Crypto Bros and nobody likes them.
how old are you
DEFCON 201
in reply to Angry Sun • • •@sun @alec @futurebird Our previous posts have demonstrated how old we are and will put it this way. We are older than they debuted for the worldwide internet to the public. The real question is why haven't you changed any of your slang to match the current times?
News flash. FUD used to mean something now it's actually cringe.
Kind of like how black people used to actually prefer in the '60s and '70s to refer themselves as the N word. They don't anymore. Probably stop using it. ๐
Angry Sun
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Angry Sun • • •Angry Sun
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in reply to Angry Sun • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Angry Sun • • •Angry Sun
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •well it was a computer term that leaked into tech people jargon from people upset at IBM sales practices so you're right it's not really hacker term like I said. But it's been a common term for decades now, the dislike because the crypto community picked it up seems like a you thing.
Incidentally re crypto, I still have my defcon CD with the song "Bitcoin Baron" on it. https://defcon.org/html/defcon-21/dc-21-soundtrack.html
DEFCON 201
in reply to Angry Sun • • •@sun @alec @futurebird You act like we are entirely against crypto and Blockchain when...well, look at us.
We're just telling you the reality of things, especially with a post FSB world where that's how people were first introduced crypto along with Line Goes Up.
So if you keep getting funny, looks from people when you use that term. Unironically that's why.
*The more you know Star*
DEFCON 201
in reply to Angry Sun • • •DEFCON 201
in reply to Angry Sun • • •@sun @alec @futurebird actually, we're going to go search this right now, but there's a hilarious YouTube video about this subject done by a bunch of German comedians:
https://youtube.com/shorts/q8Qtp6e5rvE
Our apologies, we don't have enough time to find an Invidious instance. Do what the URL with what you will.
Learn a German Word: Digga
YouTubeins0mniak
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in reply to ins0mniak • • •feld
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Aaron Schwartz was both a criminal and criminally retarded
all he had to do was rate limit his script, but boy genius couldn't even put that much effort into his scraper
also would have helped if he didn't put an unauthorized device on the network and hide it in a closet. if he just downloaded the papers from an authorized device like half the lawsuit would have been thrown out
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in reply to anath • • •The Great Ape :transFlag: arc
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Are you living under a rock lol?
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in reply to The Great Ape :transFlag: arc • • •@thegreatape @sun @futurebird @alec Again, Black people in the '70s particularly wanted to be referred to "negros" as their formal term. It's why 70 media is full of that word.
Modern day Watch what happens when a non-black person refers to a black person as negro.
Funny enough, the F-Gay slur went from object, to slur to empowerment and back again.
English is weird.
Yeah. Times change.
Angry Sun
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in reply to The Great Ape :transFlag: arc • • •@thegreatape @sun @futurebird @alec Not only does that word have a weird existence in society where a lot of the people who are of that refer to themselves as that, but don't allow anyone else to use that term for themselves. But there is still constant debate within the community of using that word or not for ourselves by ourselves.
It's a mess. We blame slavery and colonialism.
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in reply to Evelyn ๐ • • •Petra van Cronenburg
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in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Twitter is known to give some users special treatment, but that's a wider categotry than just a handful of people, and it's known that those flags are in a database, not stored in config files.
Then, why would they be defining the words exempt from moderation? The automatic moderation facility itself is going to know which words are moderatable, and it's known that this is the level at which special treatment is done (i.e. an exempt from automated moderation flag).
Then, the material in the screenshot, despite being formatted to look vaguely technical, as if from a config file, doesn't match any obvious format. Also worth remembering that Twitter uses user IDs internally, not usernames, since those are subject to change.
Okta themselves have confirmed this was never a valid URL: https://x.com/benedictgarman/status/1816477603705872783
And here's an article citing multiple people: https://www.dailydot.com/debug/twitter-api-leak/
I can't say there's no shame in falling for something this blatant, but doubling down like this is much worse.
Experts Cast Doubt On 'Twitter API Leak'
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in reply to Evelyn ๐ • • •@EvelynDraken
We're not doubling down on it. We were sincerely asking for actual evidence investigations like we did for VX on the validity of this post.
The reason why this made news was not because of the post contents but how Twitter uncharistically acted against this post.
Evelyn ๐
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •Twitter acted in the exact way I'd expect for this sort of thing. It's disinformation, easily proven as disinformation, and it's disinformation which harms their reputation.
It's rather convenient for them, in fact, since it's already known/suspected that Twitter favours certain types of account to a greater or lesser extent, and it's known that exemption from automatic moderation forms part of that.
So, this allows them to use disinformation which claims to present a very straightforward smoking gun to discredit discussion about the actual issue.
Whether that was the original objective or not, I have no idea.
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in reply to Evelyn ๐ • • •@EvelynDraken
We're going to clarify this in future posts but the news wasn't there was an alleged leak and we don't know if it's real or not.
The news was is that when misinformations normally put on Twitter, the most that it gets especially under Elon Musk is a content warning with then a descriptor on what exactly was the misinformation with links to the actual information.
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in reply to Evelyn ๐ • • •Not only was this initially mass deleted on independent accounts that were not connected that shared this piece of information false or not, But the newest ones probably cuz the content mods have given up just label it as a misinformation content warning with none of the usual explanations that they've done for posts that are even more real, severe and critical than this.
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in reply to Evelyn ๐ • • •@EvelynDraken We think the most interesting thing is the claim that Okta would somehow never be used this way, but we have two things that we could potentially argue against us until official statements have been said.
One is that no one thought that cloudstrike would be so unprofessional that I could brick the entire internet for 6 hours.
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in reply to Evelyn ๐ • • •alyssa h milano
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in reply to alyssa h milano • • •@esvrld Nope. We just reported what exactly happened, especially with how suspiciously Twitter actually handled the situation.
That's all.
We said nothing about the validity of the original leak.
It's really fascinating to watch people project their own perceptions onto things.
Penance Arkana
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in reply to Penance Arkana • • •@PenanceArkana Again, we're really happy someone's doing an actual investigation of this that's independent.
The reason why this is so alarming again is that people have spread worse disinformation about Twitter on Twitter and they simply get slapped with warnings.
The fact that the mods on the platform are trying to eat this information from orbit is highly suspicious.
That's why it made news.
Cure Neckbeard
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in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •So because people apparently can't read and do research themselves, we want to clarify in order to limit the amount of dumbasses replying that we have no time for that. We have no idea the validity of the leak nor do we think this is completely real.
This was literally breaking news and it was also really unusual how Twitter responded to it.
Have a good day.
And stop replying with your fedoras you dorks. ๐ซ
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in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •wsm (@weldon@mstdn.io)
MastodonDeborah Hartmann Preuss, pcc ๐จ๐ฆ
in reply to DEFCON 201 • • •See:
https://mastodon.social/@skry/112848301696122757
skry (@skry@mastodon.social)
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