Firearms training for children here in the states would have good results. If we're going to have the second amendment and have firearms available, I think it should be mandatory to educate kids on the when, where, and why to use them -- in addition to what they're used for -- to curb gun violence. Not having a passing grade in high school should limit a lot of things imo
De leerlingen van de Calumet High School worden in hun geschiedenisles gestoord door het geluid van vliegtuigen en zien enkele ogenblikken later honderden parachutisten uit de lucht vallen die het vuur openen.
I did firearms training in the air cadets are age 15 on .22 cal rifles. It is a useful skill. I tend to side with Kenny and headrift, better ti train people in safe handling and shooting than let any untrained idiot buy a gun.
The training is the same for both, so that doesn't matter.
As far as "a lot of armed, dissatisfied young people who will express their anger by taking up arms in the future." It would happen anyway if you have a country that provides no opportunities for youth and lots of guns available, the question will be whether they are untrained idiots with guns or well trained people instead. But lack of proper training has never stopped anyone getting or using a firearm. In fact proper training might make them think twice.
I have had years of firearms training and ran ranges on everything from pistols, rifles, automatic rifles, machine guns, grenades and antitank weapons and qualified marksman on most of those (well not grenades...), but as a result I personally own no firearms at all.
We have the same training issue with gangs here. I would advocate for mandatory firearms training for gang members here. Right now I am appalled at how poor a shot most of them are. We have had incidents where some person in a rival gang is targeted and they fire 50 shots at him and miss hi
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The training is the same for both, so that doesn't matter.
As far as "a lot of armed, dissatisfied young people who will express their anger by taking up arms in the future." It would happen anyway if you have a country that provides no opportunities for youth and lots of guns available, the question will be whether they are untrained idiots with guns or well trained people instead. But lack of proper training has never stopped anyone getting or using a firearm. In fact proper training might make them think twice.
I have had years of firearms training and ran ranges on everything from pistols, rifles, automatic rifles, machine guns, grenades and antitank weapons and qualified marksman on most of those (well not grenades...), but as a result I personally own no firearms at all.
We have the same training issue with gangs here. I would advocate for mandatory firearms training for gang members here. Right now I am appalled at how poor a shot most of them are. We have had incidents where some person in a rival gang is targeted and they fire 50 shots at him and miss him, instead they hit houses, dogs, passers by, cars, kids, garbage cans and so on. Everyone else would be much safer if the gang members spent more time at the range being taught proper handing and shooting skills.
As well as reasonable gun ownershop laws and regulations!
I would even support no private gun ownership, as that would make the country much safer, but even so, having firearms training in school is still a good idea, even if only to demystify it.
There are countries like Switzerland and Sweden where much of the population has military training and they have very low gun violence rates. Firearms training does not cause gun violence, in fact I think there is good evidence that it reduces it.
In this case I would guess that it is due to two things: the lack of requirement to demonstrate competency before owning firearms and really bad culture. A good comparison is Switzerland where a large percentage of the population is in the army reserves and keep their military rifles at home. But the number of times people use these for illegal purposes or to settle cores is nearly zero, because it just is not done. They are trained and disciplined. Keep in mind to that the Swiss have centuries of history as mercenaries all over Europe. It is not like they don't know how to apply violence, but unlike in the US the Swiss would never shoot someone for cutting them off in traffic. They don't do school shootings, either. Not part of the culture.
From about 1961 to 1966, the US put a great emphasis on physical fitness and science education for the same reason: fear of a Russian (i.e., Soviet) attack. A while back I posted a phonograph record to which we all exercised in the regular classroom. #chicken-fat This record was distributed to all schools for free by The President's Council on Physical Fitness. They wanted us to be fit to serve as soldiers.
As a kid, my father gave me both a 16-gague shotgun and a bolt-action .30-30 rifle. He wanted to make a big game hunter of me. I have no idea what happened to those firearms. I haven't had a firearm since I graduated from high school. In my six years in the US Navy, I never so much as touched an actual firearm. That's not to say we didn't have weapons. We had Poseidon missiles and torpedoes, but those belonged to the Weapons Division. We were Engineering. We had a nuclear reactor.
I would be happier, I think, if the US had firearms laws and regulations more like those of the UK.
It would take a lot of time. A lot of people would have to die. I'm using "would" instead of "will" or even "could" because I have basically no hope for our country as it is. My best hope is that we'll die trying... and that the survivors will pull it back together right. The other thing on that point is that we love to believe in cycles and patterns... we need to reprogram ourselves from the ground up
There are countries that have successfully gone through civilian disarmament, like Australia, for instance. It can be done. And since then they have not had a single mass shooting.
IMO, as a people, we USians almost exclusively appraise the value of any given human American life based on a few metrics: Wealth, profitability, race, and gender.
Our core values are greed, cruelty, brutality, and violence.
These social traits guarantee that the overwhelming majority of us have lives that are utterly disposable and eminently replaceable.
Whether it's mass murder of school children, gang warfare, someone popping and committing murder, most of our deaths are insignificant. The national birthrate guarantees our lives are replaced within minutes.
Add the most effective ranged killing tool man has invented (guns) and that's our United States of America.
Heh. And for some I've worked under they're irreplaceable. Leaders that you feel safe and right working under aren't rare but definitely not everyday in my experience.
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in reply to anonymiss • • •And you don't think it makes a difference whether you teach the children this to defend themselves from the Russians or to teach them safety?
I see the danger that we will have a lot of armed, dissatisfied young people who will express their anger by taking up arms in the future.
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in reply to anonymiss • • •The training is the same for both, so that doesn't matter.
As far as "a lot of armed, dissatisfied young people who will express their anger by taking up arms in the future." It would happen anyway if you have a country that provides no opportunities for youth and lots of guns available, the question will be whether they are untrained idiots with guns or well trained people instead. But lack of proper training has never stopped anyone getting or using a firearm. In fact proper training might make them think twice.
I have had years of firearms training and ran ranges on everything from pistols, rifles, automatic rifles, machine guns, grenades and antitank weapons and qualified marksman on most of those (well not grenades...), but as a result I personally own no firearms at all.
We have the same training issue with gangs here. I would advocate for mandatory firearms training for gang members here. Right now I am appalled at how poor a shot most of them are. We have had incidents where some person in a rival gang is targeted and they fire 50 shots at him and miss hi
... Show more...The training is the same for both, so that doesn't matter.
As far as "a lot of armed, dissatisfied young people who will express their anger by taking up arms in the future." It would happen anyway if you have a country that provides no opportunities for youth and lots of guns available, the question will be whether they are untrained idiots with guns or well trained people instead. But lack of proper training has never stopped anyone getting or using a firearm. In fact proper training might make them think twice.
I have had years of firearms training and ran ranges on everything from pistols, rifles, automatic rifles, machine guns, grenades and antitank weapons and qualified marksman on most of those (well not grenades...), but as a result I personally own no firearms at all.
We have the same training issue with gangs here. I would advocate for mandatory firearms training for gang members here. Right now I am appalled at how poor a shot most of them are. We have had incidents where some person in a rival gang is targeted and they fire 50 shots at him and miss him, instead they hit houses, dogs, passers by, cars, kids, garbage cans and so on. Everyone else would be much safer if the gang members spent more time at the range being taught proper handing and shooting skills.
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in reply to anonymiss • • •I would even support no private gun ownership, as that would make the country much safer, but even so, having firearms training in school is still a good idea, even if only to demystify it.
There are countries like Switzerland and Sweden where much of the population has military training and they have very low gun violence rates. Firearms training does not cause gun violence, in fact I think there is good evidence that it reduces it.
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In this case I would guess that it is due to two things: the lack of requirement to demonstrate competency before owning firearms and really bad culture. A good comparison is Switzerland where a large percentage of the population is in the army reserves and keep their military rifles at home. But the number of times people use these for illegal purposes or to settle cores is nearly zero, because it just is not done. They are trained and disciplined. Keep in mind to that the Swiss have centuries of history as mercenaries all over Europe. It is not like they don't know how to apply violence, but unlike in the US the Swiss would never shoot someone for cutting them off in traffic. They don't do school shootings, either. Not part of the culture.
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in reply to anonymiss • • •From about 1961 to 1966, the US put a great emphasis on physical fitness and science education for the same reason: fear of a Russian (i.e., Soviet) attack. A while back I posted a phonograph record to which we all exercised in the regular classroom. #chicken-fat This record was distributed to all schools for free by The President's Council on Physical Fitness. They wanted us to be fit to serve as soldiers.
As a kid, my father gave me both a 16-gague shotgun and a bolt-action .30-30 rifle. He wanted to make a big game hunter of me. I have no idea what happened to those firearms. I haven't had a firearm since I graduated from high school. In my six years in the US Navy, I never so much as touched an actual firearm. That's not to say we didn't have weapons. We had Poseidon missiles and torpedoes, but those belonged to the Weapons Division. We were Engineering. We had a nuclear reactor.
I would be happier, I think, if the US had firearms laws and regulations more like those of the UK.
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in reply to anonymiss • • •IMO, as a people, we USians almost exclusively appraise the value of any given human American life based on a few metrics: Wealth, profitability, race, and gender.
Our core values are greed, cruelty, brutality, and violence.
These social traits guarantee that the overwhelming majority of us have lives that are utterly disposable and eminently replaceable.
Whether it's mass murder of school children, gang warfare, someone popping and committing murder, most of our deaths are insignificant. The national birthrate guarantees our lives are replaced within minutes.
Add the most effective ranged killing tool man has invented (guns) and that's our United States of America.
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