German police prevent Irish people from speaking and singing in Irish in Germany.
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Berlin police ban Irish protesters from speaking or singing in Irish at pro-Palestine ‘ciorcal comhrá’ near Re
Irish protesters were told they are not allowed to speak or sing in Irish at the pro-Palestine protest camp near the Reichstag in Berlin.Adrianna Wrona (Irish Independent)
TCatLikesReality
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •That escalated quickly. From one protest in Germany being broken up to an EU-wode comment.
In the article, it's clear that languages can be used at protests, if there is an interpreter ...to ensure there's no incitement to terrorism. IMO, that's a worthy goal - and a reasonable limitation.
This group knew the law, chose not to have an interpreter (altho it seems it had many polyglots) and got the inevitable result. To me, it seems like they were aiming for a headline.
Charles U. Farley
in reply to TCatLikesReality • • •@TCatInReality "You're only allowed to speak if the cops can understand what you're saying" sounds super reasonable to me.
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Aral Balkan
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Literally the same?
Sure, they're both about intel gathering. But one is a restriction on private communications. The other is a restriction on public, group protest events.
Reasonable people can disagree whether diff rules should apply.
For example, write "FIRE!" on a piece of paper and mail it to a neighbor. The response will be very diff from shouting it in a crowd.
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Assuming you think incitement to violence is not protected speech, I'm not sure why that's an issue.
If you think it is protected, then I'm outta here.
Aral Balkan
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I am not.
But surely we can agree that if one wanted to incite violence in public, speaking in a language unknown to the police is super convenient.
I'm not saying it's a good law, and I'm often critical of overpolicing. Still, it's not unreasonable for police to want to close that loophole in a limited way.
This law does NOT ban speaking in Irish anywhere. It's targeted and there's an accommodation offered (interpreters). There are much bigger dangers.
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He does. Answer was a total non-sequitur.
Glitzersachen.de
in reply to TCatLikesReality • • •Which law exactly? No singing in foreign languages the police doesn't speak or understand?
Glitzersachen.de
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I'll answer to myself, since TCat doesn't know and rather wants to "move on" now, after I asked for chapter and verse of the law.
The rule in question seems to be the "Berlin Freedom of Assembly Act" (approx 2020) which, interesting enough, further constrains the right of assembly as guaranteed by the Grundgesetz. I stll have my doubts if a federal country can do that. But I'd like to point out that the GG Article 8 only guarantees the right of assembly to all _Germans_.
Glitzersachen.de
in reply to Glitzersachen.de • • •So assemblies by non-Germans are just permitted on sufferance ... which gives the police a lot of leeway do everything they want with assemblies by expatriates, fugitives, immigrants. Exactly the groups where you would anyway expect 100% neutral objectivity by German police.
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •I didn't ask whether we should have one or not, I asked if it exists. Because if it doesn't, I'm not sure what exactly you expect "the EU" to do about what appears to be a local matter? Sarcasm about the Single Market (which is amazing but incomplete and we should work harder at it) is puerile.
btw, I have no theoretical objections to obliterating national states, a 19th century invention no longer fit for purpose on our continent. But in practical terms, they have to agree to it first.
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