"The reason why RAM has become way too expensive is that a huge amount of RAM that has not yet been produced was purchased with non-existent money to be installed in GPUs that also have not yet been produced, in order to place them in data centers that have not yet been built, powered by infrastructure that may never appear, to satisfy demand that does not actually exist and to obtain profit that is mathematically impossible."
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#Business #AI #Investment
*#DRAM price hikes are unwarranted--Party Like It's 1999*
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What could happen? --History does not repeat itself, but it surely does rhyme.
*Case Study: The 1999 #Taiwan Earthquake and the Global Silicon Aftershocks*
The September 21, 1999 Taiwan earthquake (magnitude 7.6) did initially trigger dramatic #DRAM price spikes.
Key Data Points:
64-Mbit DRAM (memory) spot-market prices reached $21.25 in N-#American markets following...
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the September 21, 1999 earthquake.
Prior to the earthquake (Sept. 20): Prices were around $15.50
Price jump: Approximately 37% increase in one day
Contract pricing: #Micron raised 64-Mbit #DRAM from $7.50 to >$9
The article documents immediate panic buying by OEMs concerned about supply disruptions, with Micron's VP of Investor Relations stating
"There's not a lot of volume going on there because the suppliers were woefully short, even prior to the earthquake."
@jpturcotte
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However, the price, in fact, the whole market, collapsed after production capacity proved intact:
128-megabit #DRAM prices fell to $0.99 (a record low for that period)
Manufacturing cost: ~$2 per chip
Price versus cost margin: Chips selling at 50% of production cost
Industry context: "All DRAM makers reported losses after sales worldwide fell two-thirds to US$10 billion"
Manufacturers' capacity...
DRAM prices rise sharply following Taiwan quake
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...utilization: #TSMC and #UMC operating at below 50% capacity; Chartered at 25%
Key Quote:
The article states that
๐"The capacity that resulted in 2001 came from the perception that demand would grow forever," indicating that manufacturers had built facilities during the 1999-2000 boom based on inflated demand expectations.๐
taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archiโฆ
๐Well, couldn't that almost be an article from last week...? ๐
@jpturcotte
Chip recovery may come slowly
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*#DRAM price hikes are unwarranted--Party Like It's 1999*
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#DRAM price anomaly?
With a huge backlash now against #Datacenters (ex-China,) at least in the Western World, and energy supply being a strong limitational, factor, as #ElonMusk explained in his recent long #TheEconomist interview, I don't...
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@mountdiscovery
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...see how these prices can last in the medium term.
Without #SpaceX' #Datacenters in space and #AI efficiency gains failing to materialize in the short term, the AI Industry being heavily leveraged, we have all the ingredients of yet another chip price crash in place.--Not only for memory chips, but also for #GPU|s.
With virtually all industries seemingly going "all in" on #AI, and keeping in mind that, at least in #Germany, the aftermath of the 1999...
@jpturcotte @mountdiscovery
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*#DRAM price hikes are unwarranted--Party Like It's 1999*
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... #Taiwan quake incident subsequently led to the elimination of a complete #Stockmarket segment (the #NeueMarkt,) I am afraid a global crash could be in the league of the 1929 #GreatDepression.
I haven't done an analysis, but the new core technology of the 20th century, #Electricity, could be yet another worthwhile case study...
@jpturcotte @mountdiscovery
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The Internet at the turn of the millennium was just a new industry. Today's #AI revolution is a global, pervasive base technology. It blows away whole production processes (also in a figurative meaning) and lays off knowledge workers.
*Outlook*
When the dust settles, there will often be no-one around who knows how things work. Maybe, because (s)he was layed off, but maybe because the design wasn't human to...
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... ... begin with?
I guess one period in time that might be comparable to this scenario are the early #MiddleAges in Europe + the Mediterranean, after the breakdown of #Roman civilization, when the last educated craftsman was dead and the Germanic tribes remaining had to fend for themselves.
(another might be the breakdown of the #Mayan civilization in #Mesoamerica.)
I might be getting ahead of myself, but the clear signs are there for those who wish to see.
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