Very depressing to see the reaction from Bluesky users on their Reddit, they're basically saying it's fine to host ICE as someone who doesn't want to see it can block it from their own feed.
There's no thought being given at all to the violent dangerous hatred the ICE account will spread to those who don't block it, and the consequent radicalisation.
You can't block someone attacking you on the street, and that's what ICE is trying to make happen.
EDIT: If you don't understand what I mean, please read this social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/… about why personal blocking is not enough.
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you.
@FediThing Giving them a platform of any kind also gives them power. I get that Bluesky wants to remain neutral here but this is not the time. Neutrality just feeds fascism.
@drearicheli They SAY they want to stay neutral, but what they really want is fascism, and to be the social media network that gets the nod from the fascists.
@wtwagg It's not about you or your feed, it's about the spread of hateful lies. Here's an example to explain what I mean, it was written about Threads but applies to Bluesky as well: social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you.
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you.
It's not just about you hiding stuff from your feed, it's about stopping the hatred being spread to other people's feeds and radicalising them.
Even though ICE has the most blocks, it's still only a minority of people blocking them overall. They are free to spread their lies to most people, and some of those people will believe the lies.
Also, even seeing the account itself not being banned from the platform while other accounts are banned gives ICE a sense of respectability, like it's something normal to have a government agency murdering people and kidnapping them.
@lostgen @wtwagg @FediThing What do you mean by that? I can block anyone I want on Bluesky. I can even find lists of accounts, maintained by activists I trust, of accounts to block. If I request, they’re all blocked from me, as are new entrants to the list. . If BS weakens the block function in any way, I’m gone. But I see no sign of that happening.
"This cancel culture crap is a big part of why Trump is in power today."
This is abuser's logic. It's blaming the victim for what the abuser does.
"Those that do see it are always free to call them out and expose any lies"
...or they believe the lies and become radicalised. That's why these accounts exist, that's why propaganda exists. They repeat the lies over and over and over until people accept them as truth.
That's the real reason why Trump is in power, because of the lies told by Fox News etc. They know it works, that's why they do it.
1. Bigoted account on social media repeats lies about minorities 2. People believe the lies, become radicalised, spread the bigotry to friends, who spread it to friends etc 3. It leads to widespread discrimination, threats and even murder
Imagine there was an account that spread lies about you. It told people you had done some horrible crime, and said that people needed to take action against you.
Would you be comfortable with simply blocking that account and allowing others to follow it? Knowing that the account was telling lies and inciting violence against you?
FediThing
in reply to Grutjes • • •Yup, just checked, web profile at bsky.app/profile/icegov.bsky.s…
Verified and everything 😡
Bluesky are collaborators.
FediThing
in reply to Grutjes • • •Very depressing to see the reaction from Bluesky users on their Reddit, they're basically saying it's fine to host ICE as someone who doesn't want to see it can block it from their own feed.
There's no thought being given at all to the violent dangerous hatred the ICE account will spread to those who don't block it, and the consequent radicalisation.
You can't block someone attacking you on the street, and that's what ICE is trying to make happen.
EDIT: If you don't understand what I mean, please read this social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/… about why personal blocking is not enough.
FediThing :progress_pride: (@FediThing@chinwag.org)
Chinwag SocialDrea
in reply to FediThing • • •xinit ☕ / 🗑🔥
in reply to Drea • • •@drearicheli
They SAY they want to stay neutral, but what they really want is fascism, and to be the social media network that gets the nod from the fascists.
@FediThing @Grutjes
FediThing
in reply to xinit ☕ / 🗑🔥 • • •@xinit @drearicheli
I think you're both right!
Drea's right about the folly of neutrality in the face of fascism, but also xinit is right that Bluesky are sucking up to a fascist goverment.
Guessing Bluesky just want money and power, they see pleasing fascists as a way to get both.
kwarg
in reply to Grutjes • • •FediThing
in reply to kwarg • • •Verifying a bunch of murderers is something they didn't have to do.
Hosting the murderers' account is something they didn't have to do.
They chose to do this.
FediThing
Unknown parent • • •FediThing :progress_pride: (@FediThing@chinwag.org)
Chinwag SocialFediThing
Unknown parent • • •@wtwagg
If they're posting stuff that puts innocent vulnerable groups in physical danger, they need to be banned.
If they're not banned, then their posts reach those who haven't blocked them. That's the point of my post at social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…
FediThing :progress_pride: (@FediThing@chinwag.org)
Chinwag SocialMarkus Werle
in reply to Grutjes • • •Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
in reply to Markus Werle • • •FediThing
Unknown parent • • •It's not just about you hiding stuff from your feed, it's about stopping the hatred being spread to other people's feeds and radicalising them.
Even though ICE has the most blocks, it's still only a minority of people blocking them overall. They are free to spread their lies to most people, and some of those people will believe the lies.
Also, even seeing the account itself not being banned from the platform while other accounts are banned gives ICE a sense of respectability, like it's something normal to have a government agency murdering people and kidnapping them.
Greg Spradlin
Unknown parent • • •.
If BS weakens the block function in any way, I’m gone. But I see no sign of that happening.
Jörg Seidel
Unknown parent • • •Try that on Twitter. On #BlueSky you are one update away from not being able to block anymore.
@FediThing @Grutjes
FediThing
Unknown parent • • •"This cancel culture crap is a big part of why Trump is in power today."
This is abuser's logic. It's blaming the victim for what the abuser does.
"Those that do see it are always free to call them out and expose any lies"
...or they believe the lies and become radicalised. That's why these accounts exist, that's why propaganda exists. They repeat the lies over and over and over until people accept them as truth.
That's the real reason why Trump is in power, because of the lies told by Fox News etc. They know it works, that's why they do it.
That's why fascist accounts need to be shut down.
FediThing
in reply to FediThing • • •p.s. This is how it works:
1. Bigoted account on social media repeats lies about minorities
2. People believe the lies, become radicalised, spread the bigotry to friends, who spread it to friends etc
3. It leads to widespread discrimination, threats and even murder
There was an investigative report by @ZekuZelalem at thebureauinvestigates.com/stor… who found Meta's plaforms being used to incite violence.
Some of the people killed weren't even on social media, the problem is lies spread on social media causing bigotry and violence in the real world.
Facebook accused by survivors of letting activists incite ethnic massacres with hate and misinformation in Ethiopia
Jasper Jackson (The Bureau of Investigative Journalism)FediThing
Unknown parent • • •@wtwagg @spradlig @lostgen
Maybe this example will make it clearer:
Imagine there was an account that spread lies about you. It told people you had done some horrible crime, and said that people needed to take action against you.
Would you be comfortable with simply blocking that account and allowing others to follow it? Knowing that the account was telling lies and inciting violence against you?
Grutjes
in reply to FediThing • • •@FediThing @spradlig @lostgen
I admire your politeness and patience to this person. I have none of it, I'd have liked to slap his face.
@wtwagg