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My entire point (all the noise notwithstanding) focused on

Default opt-in versus default opt-out

This is an agent --> recipient transaction

Default opt-in: the recipient is opted into (and participates in) the agent's action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Default opt-out: the recipient is opted out of (and cannot participate in) the action whether the recipient --> knows of <-- the action or not

Neither default opt-in nor default opt-out have any logical meaning if THE RECIPIENT DOES NOT KNOW OF THE AGENT in advance

Here is one of the oldest prior discussions I participated in on Github with Ryan (snarfed) Barrett re: bridgy-fed back starting in February of 2024

Read all of it; it's very long

Here: github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/…

With that, I'm out

Y'all have fun, eh?

#HolosDiscover #HolosIndex #Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub


Opt in/out prompt

If you do implement some sort of opt-in system, I don't want a new notification every time someone follows me. I use fediverse software that supports both public and private posts. If I post it pub...
WisTex (GitHub)
#fediverse #activitypub #mastodon #holosdiscover #holosindex

With #HolosDiscover we checked multiple criteria before indexing: "indexable" enabled, account not locked, no #nobot or #noindex in bio, not in opted-out list, only public posts. Every deletion, edit or block was processed instantly via #ActivityPub.
Google uses that same "indexable" flag but ignores everything else, keeps deleted content cached for weeks.
We shut it down after pushback. Was that the right call? Don't hesitate to share, this concerns the whole Fediverse.

  • It should have stayed up (55%, 121 votes)
  • Right call to shut it down (26%, 57 votes)
  • No opinion (18%, 39 votes)
217 voters. Poll end: in 6 days

#activitypub #noindex #nobot #holosdiscover

After shutting down #HolosDiscover, we're rethinking the approach with #HolosIndex: users explicitly opt in by adding #HolosIndex to their bio with interest tags, then submit their profile. No assumptions, no default settings.
This will power interest-based discovery across the #Fediverse, helping people find each other through shared interests. Still all through #ActivityPub of course, with real-time deletions and updates.
#fediverse #activitypub #holosdiscover #holosindex

I'm really sad to see this happen. I thought it was a great project that respected users.

#HolosDiscover

#holosdiscover

We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
#holosdiscover

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