@pocketvj

Another thought is this likely w/act to intimidate other platforms.

And it appears "X" platform has blroken #telegram as a hashtag.

Interesting.

As someone who doesn't use telegram, good to know they still can't offer this (again, not an app I use, nor made claim on group chat)

Going after him for imprisonment for lack of "moderation" threat of "terrorism" charges is a dangerous precedent, as any attack on a messenger promising e2ee, even by this censorship measure alone.

I stand by that.

@duxsco

Definitely can see it from this side as well.

And the charges, given the lack of e2ee for the most part (outside users familiar enough to enable it), make more sense.

Though not a user of TG, I do think the entire marketing is highly misleading.

And that misleading part, encourages ppl to "openly share their secrets", unknowingly giving those up to server.

With consequences for platform as we now see.

@kat I have not. Was only on it a short period when working w/a FOSS project.

Personally, I believe censorship has a more dangerous ultimate destination, than good.

@kat It's not really my thing.

I'm honestly not surprised seeing countless spam posts around the web saying
"buy this" buy that on tgram. 😉

well.. I just don't agree with your analysis

As a user, the platform has a terrible moderation problem.. actual human content is completely wiped out by bots and scammers.

It's clearly also used by people who are going to piss off local law enforcement on a wide scale (which is well .. whatever).

It's also not e2e unless you make a special setting to create "secret chats"

I don't need to make a theory about free speech to see why French cops might want to talk

#telegram

@kat

Fair enough.

Shared first / initial impressions / concerns, but could change view in future as I learn more details.

It's not a platform I spend any time on (don't have it).

@gabriel Yes, ppl love to nitpick.

Mentioning it as encrypted messenger app - whether enabled by default or not, group or not... is part of the initial attraction for many.

Even if most don't benefit from this. 😉

To target the founder, charging him with trafficking / terrorism related charges, is still in my eyes, partly an attack on encryption - at least on the surface level.

Underneath, it's a precedent promoting nationstate platform intimidation, censorship.

-free speech absolutist.