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Co-founder of Twitter joins new Mastodon board of directors. Right, so federating with Threads wasn’t a mistake. This is just the direction Mastodon is going. Oh, well. Another Mozilla emerges.

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2024/04/mastodon-forms-new-u.s.-non-profit/

#Mastodon #BizStone #SiliconValley #BigTech #Threads

in reply to Aral Balkan

it's up to servers to federate... threads stole the code, what can you do except block them... not mastodon's fault
in reply to Working Stiffly

@jenzi Threads didn’t steal anything. ActivityPub is an open standard. And Mastodon’s extensions to it are also free for anyone to implement.

And what you do is you defederate.

Instead of rolling out the red carpet, which is what actually happened.

in reply to Aral Balkan

You're still blaming software and standards and not servers
in reply to Working Stiffly

@jenzi I have no idea what you’re on about. But I also have no more time to waste with this.
in reply to Aral Balkan

oof 💯

I really don't want to start hosting yet another service, but looks like I won't have much of a choice before long…

Guess I'll add evaluation of AP implementations to my ever-growing agenda so I can make sure I can get away from an implementation that will try to monetize its users in the foreseeable future. :/

in reply to Aral Balkan

@RosePuckey Your earlier declarative statement that "another Mozilla emerges" makes it hard to believe you've done anything but make up your mind already.
in reply to Mister Moo 🐮

@MisterMoo @RosePuckey christ have people never heard of things like "pattern recognition," "history repeating itself," or just the completely reasonable act of "making predictions based on real-world events"???

The overall trend with the FOSS world lately has fucking sucked. Org after org is gradually falling into the same predatory, money-grubbing, privacy-invading, user-exploiting bullshit the big companies do. Supposedly "for survival." People are rational to be sick of it.

in reply to Holland 🏳️‍⚧️🚩🏴

@MisterMoo @RosePuckey there are ZERO REASONS to give any tech company the benefit of the doubt in the current climate. Every sus move a FOSS org makes that looks like the same enshittification we've seen over the last 20 years has a crowd of breathless goobers saying "what makes you so SURE?? Nothing's happened YET!! It could be different, YOU'RE ruining everything with your CYNICISM!!"

How fucking gullible can you be? How many times do they have to do this before people get it?

in reply to Aral Balkan

another Mozilla, perhaps, but we are moving from platform to protocol, ditching lock-ins.
in reply to Aral Balkan

This is good news.

It would have been nice if the blog shared the Mastodon accounts of all the Board of Directors.

#Mastodon #Fediverse

in reply to Srijit Kumar Bhadra

@srijit Well, yeah, I guess Jack Dorsey was sadly unavailable and Elon’s busy too these days, so Biz it is. 🤷‍♂️
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Aral Balkan

@FinchHaven @vetehinen They’ve also received $100K each from Jeff Atwood and Mozilla according to their latest blog post. Not-for-profits are allowed to accept donations. It’s kind of a core thing.

(My issue is with who they’re listening to and being guided by, who they’re accepting donations from, who they are aligning themselves with, and the success criteria they’re adopting.)

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FinchHaven

@vetehinen

"what on earth makes you say they are raking in shit tons of money?"

Apparently you haven't been paying any attention

"Thank you Sujitech"

"Today we would like to thank Sujitech for kindly donating $100k USD to Mastodon, by far the largest single donation to our non-profit so far."

$100,000.00 USD

For what?

To pay "two full-time developers" $50,000 USD annually?

Dream on...

And this is one "donation" only

What is #Gargron raking in on his line of plushies and other bling?

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/11/thank-you-sujitech/

Merch: https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/new-merchandise/

cc @aral

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vetehinen
what on earth makes you say they are raking in shit tons of money? That doesn't sound too likely for a team with the grand total of two full-time deveopers (to be increased to three now) so do you have something to back that with?
in reply to Aral Balkan

And before you know it, the "grow or die" imperative kicks in..
in reply to Aral Balkan

Jeez, 'Board of Directors' doesn't sound very 'decentralized' to me.
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in reply to Aral Balkan

What the actual fuck

this is starting to stink the same way matrix is an open protocol and the software is made by element corp.

i'm going to see myself out on pleroma if that continues. Not gonna support yet another capitalist with variable geometry ethics.

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in reply to Aral Balkan

"But now we have received a notice from the same tax office that our non-profit status has been withdrawn. This came with no advance warning or explanation. " karma return related to threads federation?
in reply to Aral Balkan

while I share the concern, I don't see this in what was posted

Looking at the list, I only see that one member you called out as notable. (Perhaps aside from the long-time Mastodon CFO)

Are you implying that the rest of the board will defer to him? Or that the others will be replaced? Or that the rest have secret agendas not listed in their bios?

Because one big tech "entrepreneur" stake holder isn't great, but does not "Mozilla" or "the next Twitter" make

in reply to Aral Balkan

sigh, the white wing doesn't want anyone to have nice toys unless they profit from it somehow.
in reply to Aral Balkan

btw, what is the deal with mozilla anyway? Are they a not-profit that eventually got captured?
in reply to Aral Balkan

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in reply to Hannu Ikonen MD

@hannu_ikonen
My $0.02 - alternatives. There are numerous possibilities for fedi microblogging emerging. I also advocate cooperative organizational approaches to build immunity to capitalist recuperation. Some posts are pinned to the top of my feed with more detail. Also check out the Developments section of the Free Fediverse wiki

https://freefediverse.org

@aral @MF_Dume

in reply to ophiocephalic 🐍

@ophiocephalic @hannu_ikonen Yeah, I agree with seeing what alternatives arise in the short term, while we wait and see how this new org moves and operates.

I would caution artists/creatives about posting work here, because the part of Amir Ghavi's corporate bio that says he's "advised and continues to represent defendant AI model developers in several of the major AI litigations currently filed" makes me think he may be defending them from using other people's work without consent, and that's an entire field of red flags.

in reply to MF Dume

Just as an FYI: I see (in my feed, on my instance) that you’re using Mastodon (4.2.8…by a little icon next to your post). It is a shame Mastodon itself doesn’t have similar functionality. If it did you too would see that many people in this very thread already are on other software/services than Mastodon.

The alternatives are already here, and have been for a good couple of years. I could easily name 7-10 other Fediverse services that are as good, or better, than Mastodon already today if comparing features, performance, security and settings. Some are older than Mastodon. Some are quite new.

There are two things Mastodon does better than most of the other services: corporate structure (the very thing this thread discusses but also seem averse to) and from that corporation, better marketing (the other services are usually crap at marketing themselves).

Just my £0.02 as a fly-by comment.

@ophiocephalic @hannu_ikonen

in reply to Aral Balkan

what? This seems fine to me? The code is still open. Anyone can contribute. You can still spin up a new instance of you want. What is bad about this?
in reply to Aral Balkan

How else do you believe the folks behind Mastodon could get paid livable wages? As it stands today, they each make very little; and can't even afford non-profit rates for open positions. Biz can at least attract SV donors, which is where so much capital is otherwise being burned by enshittified shit.
in reply to ninavizz

@ninavizz Yep, Biz can attract Silicon Valley money. And Silicon Valley money comes with Silicon Valley expectations and goes to entities compatible with Silicon Valley goals.

How else? Many ways. Sadly – and all too predictably – the EU dropped the ball by not funding it properly and stipulating its own demands to forestall corporate capture.

But are there other ways? Yes. Are there other ways if you’re chasing growth über alles? Probably not.

in reply to Aral Balkan

We briefly chatted about this, though. There really isn't, today—and considering Eugen supports himself, another adult, and two pets, it's not right to expect him and his family to personally take the hit for today's scant funding for public interest tech. Mastodon would at least need a full-time development director, and even then there's barely enough. Barely. TorProject and many others subsist on USAID & the US Dept of Defense. Our community needs better.
in reply to ninavizz

@ninavizz Indeed. We’re living this ourselves and have been for the past however many years. I had to sell two family homes to stay independent. Laura contracts with the mainstream so we have a roof over our heads as I work on the free/open stuff. This is why I spoke at the parliament about how we must fund tech from the commons (https://ar.al/2019/11/29/the-future-of-internet-regulation-at-the-european-parliament/). And this is why I’m building Domain so that it can be sustainable in this current (shit) system. But you must also limit growth.
in reply to Aral Balkan

Do we really want the growth limited of the primary federated platform functioning as the world's Shitter replacement? I honestly don't see Mastodon going for "unicorn" (blick) growth, but instead to meet community demand. The world does want usable, accessible, and easy to access social platforms; and this is truly the only one with a reasonable entry curve. Discord is ok, too; but Matrix, too hard. Most others, also too obscure or hard.
in reply to ninavizz

@ninavizz Of one instance and one org, yes. Of the protocol and platform, no.
in reply to Aral Balkan

I guess that's where I disagree. Non-nrrds and folks leaving proprietary/for-profit media need the "gateway-friendly" mastodon.social instance and experience, imho, to learn about the fediverse and to feel emboldened enough to take the next step(s). To really force the failure of for-profit tech, a much more massive migration has to happen; and (almost) anything possible, I want to support.
in reply to ninavizz

@ninavizz Well, now that Threads is federating, they don’t even need that, they can just use Threads. I guess time will tell where things go but I wish we could learn from the mistakes of the past. Regardless, I should start caring far less about what Mastodon is doing and focus on the alternative I’m working on.
in reply to Aral Balkan

Threads is part of facebag, which we all know uses people's data for ad targeting, LLM training, etc. So, we still need both the org and the one instance, as well as the platform and the protocol—which don't matter, if they can't be usably accessed by our parents and other non-techies.
in reply to ninavizz

I don't know what the tax situation is like in germany, but gargron's claims to not be taking money from venture capitalist also came with the declaration that his full time job pays about twice as much as mine does, so it's not like they're getting paid nothing.
in reply to Demon Queen Lucretia

@lucretia @ninavizz To be fair, it’s at least half of what he’d be getting if he had a job at a well-funded tech company in the mainstream. And, more so at a Google or a Facebook.

This isn’t about Eugen’s compensation. Eugen should be compensated and be able to live a comfortable life given what he does. Heck, asshats who work at Google and Facebook do. Why should people have to sacrifice to do good? (1/5)

in reply to Aral Balkan

No, this is about Silicon Valley influence, the wrong success criteria, and loss of control.

And, if the EU didn’t have its head stuck up its own arse, it would have already made sure that Mastodon could be kept in the EU and those working on it well compensated while also ensuring that the correct success criteria (hint: NOT growth at all costs but decentralisation) were set. But not with this EU Commission and its fixation with the Single Market above all else. (2/5)

in reply to Aral Balkan

They probably see Mastodon becoming a US entity and having Silicon Valley folks on the board as a sign of success when it is an abject failure of the EU, and all its costly PR initiatives (Next Generation Internet, etc.) It’s the Web story with Tim Berners-Lee and CERN all over again. And we know where that neoliberal and corporate capture left us. (3/5)
in reply to Aral Balkan

All that said, the one thing this isn’t about is how much Eugen makes. If we’re saying any old asshat engineer at Google has a right to a comfortable life but folks working on free and open source don’t, let’s not expect too many people to do the former as a full-time occupation. (4/5)
in reply to Aral Balkan

If, on the other hand, maybe we’d like more folks to contribute to the commons and maybe not even be captured by Silicon Valley how about this radical idea: Fund them so they can live (at least as well) as any mediocre yes-person at a mainstream tech company. (5/5)
in reply to Aral Balkan

The EU is also in a precarious state I suspect, following Brexit and with other matters of the world (Ukraine, Putin, Drumpf) happening. I am very with you, but just as I left public-interest tech for for-profit for my own sanity living in the US & supporting both my parents and a disabled partner, Eugen and Mastodon deserve stability. I'm cautiously optimistic, that that is all this is about. How to sustain, in a world not yet ready to properly fund a commons.
in reply to Demon Queen Lucretia

@lucretia @ninavizz (And, of course, you should be making more too. In a sane world, we shouldn’t even have to worry about it but here we are, struggling to get by because we refuse to fuck people over with our skills and knowledge.)