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Growing tired of comments like "but Mastodon is so difficult and only nerds are there" and "it has no future or numbers" and other meaningless nonsense 😩

For me it sounds like "Internet is difficult, only nerds are there" or "I can't see myself bookmarking a website" or "I prefer the commercial, social and paid services instead the free ones".

People also still dislike "the rules" without realizing the endless Terms of Service exist literally in every single thing you use.

I mean, it's not hard, but if is, nobody forces you to use it, right? Why twist the narrative to something it does not fit?

#Mastodon #Fediverse

#fediverse #mastodon
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Shadow Heart
Shadow Heart
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they've been conditioned to think of anything successful as having to be corporately owned and operated. The toxic nature of corporate platforms being a necessary evil. They don't realize that with Fediverse platforms, they can get actual community without the toxicity of corporate rule.

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Kristoffer Lawson
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but Mastodon *is* difficult. The username/server thing is just the beginning, and tip of the iceberg. The real issues start when you have to try and explain why a profile is empty, why all replies are not shown when opening a message, that a search for a hashtag doesn’t find your tagged post.

Those are incredibly messy and even seasoned users don’t necessarily get it. The solutions are not easy, but are possible. But nobody currently seems to be tackling them.

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Roni Laukkarinen
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@Setok I think it's not difficult to start using it. Your average joe doesn't care about the nyances.
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Tapani Hopkins
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I think that's the problem many have with Mastodon. They do have to care about nuances. Like when they find someone they might want to follow, there are no posts there, just a message about looking at the original instance. So have to figure out what this instance thing is.
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Tapani Hopkins
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Seems to be enough to put many people off. They just want something that works out of the box, and they don't need to figure out how it works. Mastodon isn't that. Not sure why people complain about it though. If Mastodon doesn't suit someone, try something else, simple.
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Roni Laukkarinen
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@tapani-hopkins.bsky.social I agree Mastodon was way too complicated 2-3 years ago, but it has come a long way. It's not that different in 4.3.0. And it will be even more seamless from now on.

I have high hopes for interconnectivity. Here we are discussing between Mastodon and Bluesky, how wonderful is that? Hopefully we'll get over that opt-in barrier in the future. One can hope, I guess.

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Kristoffer Lawson
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I quite recently faced exactly some of those questions with a newbie. The server thing took some effort, but manageable, but the other stuff is tricky and I kind of get the feeling I’m having to explain technical things about a platform when all the many folks want is a place to post and view cat pictures.
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El Duvelle
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something has to be difficult with it, otherwise we wouldn't have tons of people signing in for a new account and then never actually using the account. I see this happening on our server that I'm admin on. I also know some of the people who do this, and they are not "computer-illiterate". There is some kind of barrier to using #Mastodon from the start that we should really try to remove.

Basically it should be more intuitive at least at the starting steps, even if it might become more complex later, this is what the other #SocialMedia platforms do. Instead, all the complexity is there from the start and that's a giant barrier to attracting new users.

@Setok

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Roni Laukkarinen
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@elduvelle @Setok I think it's the world we live in today. I remember Twitter where we had to post via SMS using weird numbers and letters, there was no share feature so we just copied the message and put "RT username" in front of it. People actually made up hashtags, there was no such feature. It was "difficult" and weird, but it was fun.

But it's the nature of the Internet. People will get used to "difficult" and weird until they are not difficult or weird. We browse through all kinds of servers and logins every day, but somehow Mastodon is the most "difficult" one.

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Kristoffer Lawson
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@elduvelle I honestly think RT is way easier to explain than the peculiarities of the federation model of Mastodon :)

Besides, we no longer live in that world where these things are new. Other services exist, and clearly, and sadly, they have now gained the momentum.

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Renaud Chaput
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@Setok we are working on many of those issues, but they are complex, require specific knowledge and so far the Mastodon backend team is only 2 people. Things improve slowly but more resources are needed to go faster.
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Shadow, First of His Name
Shadow, First of His Name
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"...just want to know what's the best around and have major traffic. I have to stick to some platforms due to work."

Old convo text with a friend. Impossible to convince after some exchanges. 🙄

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Father Enoch
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Because their feelings don't care about facts.

Because they have rejected your reality and substituted their own.

I'll come up with a third retort when I think of one...

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PictoPulse356
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Completely agree, maybe is more difficult than other SNS but completely worth. For me the experience is better. Obviously there are things that could be improved, but in most use cases is not that difficult and more rewarding.
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Minna N.
Minna N.
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you are exceptional, and a leader.

The others are the common men following the masses, they do not want to forge out their own paths.

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Ultra-Motivated Pizza Stuffers
Ultra-Motivated Pizza Stuffers
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I get this all the time and I am also really tired of it. but then I think there are already a lot of interesting people using #Fediverse apps and services and what we need to do is interact a lot here to show that this system is worthy. then people who are experimenting here will stay.
#fediverse

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Jago Nissi
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"only nerds are there"?

Probably the best advertisement for Mastodon.

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magdalenahai🦈🏳️‍🌈
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people who dislike the rules seem to me like people who want to continue to be as rude, cruel, misogynistic and racist as they were in Musk-town.
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Gemma 👽
Gemma 👽
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If McDonald Trump can use Mastodon*, so can you. :blobcatfingerguns:

*) Truth Social is just a tortured, walled up Mastodon instance.

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propapanda :verified:
propapanda :verified:
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I don't understand why you're actively fighting this? This works very much in our interest.

I don't want my parents to join fedi and start spamming minion "memes".

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