Reminder for Pride month that Meta's platforms including #Threads are allowing the spread of hateful transphobic content:
Allowing Threads to federate is allowing hatred to spread.
- If you run a Fediverse server, please defederate threads.net (instructions for Mastodon are here: https://fedi.tips/how-to-defederate-fediblock-a-server-on-mastodon/)
- If you don't run a server, please ask your server admin to defederate threads.net
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Бојан Ландекић 🥷🇺🇦🇷🇸🦖❤️
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to Бојан Ландекић 🥷🇺🇦🇷🇸🦖❤️ • • •@bojanland
Thank you 🙏 Corrected 😅
FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •Because it's not about you, it's about preventing hatred spreading and radicalising people into becoming bigots and worse.
If admins allow hatred to spread, it allows lies to spread about vulnerable minorities. It leads to discrimination, abuse and even physical violence.
Meta's moderation is so bad, it has even been linked to mass murders and genocides:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-02-20/facebook-accused-of-letting-activists-incite-ethnic-massacres-with-hate-and-misinformation-by-survivors-in-ethiopia/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans
Rohingya sue Facebook for £150bn over Myanmar genocide
Dan Milmo (The Guardian)FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •"I‘m currently seeing only posts from accounts on threads.net that I explicitly followed,"
As I said, it isn't about you.
It's about the victims of people who see and share bigoted material on badly-moderated platforms like Threads.
Please put yourself in the position of someone abused or attacked by people radicalised online.
"(defederation) should only be used if necessary"
It is necessary. Meta's failure to moderate its users is leading to bigotry, violence and mass murder.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •"It is about me."
It really isn't. Victims of bigotry are being discriminated against, abused, beaten and murdered IN REAL LIFE because of lies spread online.
Your convenience on social media is nothing compared to this.
If Meta is unwilling to moderate its platforms properly, to the point where people are being killed, they need to be isolated (and hopefully shut down, but that's sort of beyond the Fediverse's powers).
Individual blocking doesn't stop hate spreading, because the people who do individual blocks of bigotry are least likely to be radicalised. It's the radicalisation that needs to be stopped.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •@david
Some people believe in doing whatever they can to help, even if it seems small.
If it's too small, why are you complaining? Why does it matter if this place blocks Threads?
Why not just join Threads if it is so important to you to be there?
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •@david
"maybe even make people to also open an account on threads.net to interact with accounts there."
If people want to use Threads, they are almost certainly just going to join Threads.
The point of this place is to provide a better alternative, not to spread the vile toxic hateful stuff that Meta allows on its platform.
Threads only started last year FFS. The Fediverse has been around since the early 2010s, and it exploded in popularity in 2022, a year before Threads even launched.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •@david
"As I said, you would not achieve your goal of Meta doing better moderation"
If Meta didn't need something from us, they wouldn't have joined the Fediverse.
My guess is that Meta want to tell government regulators in private meetings "Look, we are interoperable already! You don't need to regulate us!"
If we federate with Meta, we are simply doing what they want us to do, we are providing whatever they were seeking when they started federating.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •@constancies @david
Is this not "screwing up big time" by your standards then?
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-02-20/facebook-accused-of-letting-activists-incite-ethnic-massacres-with-hate-and-misinformation-by-survivors-in-ethiopia/
Facebook accused by survivors of letting activists incite ethnic…
The Bureau of Investigative JournalismDavid Haller
Unknown parent • • •constancies
in reply to David Haller • • •constancies
Unknown parent • • •FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •"Overblocking could even be a threat to the existence of the Fediverse, if we get a bunch of small island instances that don't talk with each other."
OVERblocking?
If you're comfortable federating with a company linked to genocides, what the heck does it have to do to earn a block?
Do they have to threaten your own life, rather than some other group that you're not connected to?
Show some empathy here, please.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •@david
Also, if you're really genuinely a fan of interoperability, having a giant instance is a big threat to that.
Threads could do the embrace extend extinguish on the Fediverse because of how big it is.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •@david
"I know there a lots of geeks working at Meta that like open source and the Fediverse"
No. Companies this size don't do such big projects for the heck of it. They do it because it makes them money, that is at the heart of everything they do.
Facebook/Meta is totally amoral:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587080/mark-zuckerberg-holocaust-denial-kara-swisher-interview
This kind of company should not be in charge of things that get people killed. They even KNEW they would get people killed:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/growth-at-any-cost-top-facebook-executive-defended-data#.upw3jdyR8
"We should not immediately expect an evil plot if a company supports an open source project."
This isn't "supporting", it's co-opting it for its own purposes.
Mark Zuckerberg says Holocaust deniers are making an honest mistake
Casey Newton (The Verge)FediThing 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •It was seen as terrible in America as well:
https://www.vox.com/explainers/2018/7/20/17590694/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-holocaust-denial-recode
The controversy over Mark Zuckerberg’s comments on Holocaust denial, explained
Ezra Klein (Vox)Evan
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to Evan • • •Totally sympathise, it's not your fault. That's a really difficult situation.
It is depressing that public bodies and public servants would put important public info on a closed toxic platform that cannot even be viewed or followed from the outside.
Is there any chance those services have an RSS feed too, maybe on their website? If so, you may be able to turn them into accounts on here through a service called RSS Parrot:
https://rss-parrot.net/
For example the White House's briefing room can be followed at:
@www.whitehouse.gov.briefing-room
RSS Parrot
rss-parrot.netEvan
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •constancies
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •Ryan Mann
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to Ryan Mann • • •@progressivecat @FediTips
You could block an account yourself, but that wouldn't stop lies about vulnerable groups from being spread to others. The root problem is that Meta's moderation is just awful, and they don't seem to care. Their aim is to stir up "engagement" by encouraging conflict, which is literally getting people killed:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-02-20/facebook-accused-of-letting-activists-incite-ethnic-massacres-with-hate-and-misinformation-by-survivors-in-ethiopia/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
The worst part is, according to leaked secret memos, Facebook/Meta already knew in 2016 this would happen and didn't care:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/growth-at-any-cost-top-facebook-executive-defended-data#.upw3jdyR8
The appropriate response to this pattern of behaviour is to defederate.
Rohingya sue Facebook for £150bn over Myanmar genocide
Dan Milmo (The Guardian)Joshua Crawford
in reply to Ryan Mann • • •yes, it is quite easy to block individual accounts. That is what we should encourage. Let people take charge of their own timeline, we do not need people deciding for us what we are allowed to see.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to Joshua Crawford • • •"Let people take charge of their own timeline, we do not need people deciding for us what we are allowed to see."
That's missing the point totally.
If someone is discrminated against, or abused, or beaten, or even killed... they can't opt out of that. There is no block button they can use to avoid those things happening to them in real life.
If we allow toxic lies to spread on social media, it leads to horrific things happening to innocent people in real life, people who may not even use social media at all:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-02-20/facebook-accused-of-letting-activists-incite-ethnic-massacres-with-hate-and-misinformation-by-survivors-in-ethiopia/
These kinds of deadly lies need to be stopped at source.
Facebook accused by survivors of letting activists incite ethnic…
The Bureau of Investigative JournalismJoshua Crawford
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •I did not miss the point at all. When you allow other people to dictate what is hate speech, discrimination, or any other disfavored speech, it inevitably turns into anything they dislike is hate speech.
It is not far from there that you end up with 19 year old's being charged with a felony because they left black marks on a rainbow painted sidewalk.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to Joshua Crawford • • •" When you allow other people to dictate what is hate speech"
You think it is okay to call for someone's murder? You think calling for massacres isn't hate speech?
What is wrong with you? Have you lost all sense of humanity?
Joshua Crawford
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •What is wrong with me? At what point did I state that it was okay to call for someone's murder?!! What is wrong with you that you feel the need to put such words in my mouth in an attempt to win a stupid argument?!!
C++ Guy
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •Cătă
in reply to C++ Guy • • •C++ Guy
in reply to Cătă • • •Yes, but there are questions about how effective that is. I forget the details, but I don't think a user-level block prevents #Threads from seeing your posts and presenting them to users if #Meta decides to misbehave. And one thing history teaches us is that Meta always misbehaves.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to C++ Guy • • •Even if it was effective, all it would do is block that server for you. It wouldn't stop the hate and lies being spread to other people, which is the main problem.
Imagine if someone put up a billboard that had some awful racist lies on it (for example). Even if you managed to stop looking at the billboard, that isn't going to stop other people noticing it and some of them will believe the lies, maybe even spread them.
We can't approach bigotry as an issue of individual choice. Lies about vulnerable groups have to be stopped at source.
People are being murdered because of this:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-02-20/facebook-accused-of-letting-activists-incite-ethnic-massacres-with-hate-and-misinformation-by-survivors-in-ethiopia/
Facebook accused by survivors of letting activists incite ethnic…
The Bureau of Investigative JournalismLuca Sironi
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •but you can't remove the billboard from the internet, it's there and it's legal.
Also gab and truth and vk and instagram are out there.
The block will eventually arrive when they will try to spread shit to my server, but right now it's just fediverse can follow some of their US/Canada/Japan users.
You need to go search for them.
Also on fediverse i don't let everybody follow me, there's manual approve.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to Luca Sironi • • •@luca @CppGuy @petrescatraian
Gab gave up trying to connect to the Fediverse because so many defederated it.
"...and it's legal."
Incitement to murder is illegal in many countries, but Meta just ignores these concerns and the fines imposed on it are usually so small compared to its income that it doesn't notice them.
Cătă
in reply to C++ Guy • • •@C++ Guy well, on that note, Meta could even set a separate server as a honeypot of sorts and fetch the content to display it to their users and/or track us. Or they could simply set up one or a dozen web crawlers to fetch the data.
When you post things publicly in the wild, there's a lot that can happen, sadly. Remember we're talking about the same company that used shadow profiles in order to track unlogged users or people without a Facebook account.
@FediThing 🏳️🌈
Luca Sironi
in reply to Cătă • • •that, plus blocking a server whose users can't follow me, is a waste of time and an ideological stance.
When it will be the case, IF it will be the case, i will think about it
C++ Guy
in reply to Luca Sironi • • •@luca @petrescatraian
The time to think about #Threads is now. Here's why.
As #Facebook has grown, its users have come to depend on it: there's a huge barrier to leaving, because that's where your friends and family are. As users have become more and more locked-in by these network effects, Facebook's behaviour has got worse and worse. Facebook exploits its users and treats them with contempt because it judges that it can get away with it, because its behaviour isn't quite bad enough to make them leave en masse.
If we let Threads gain a foothold here, #Meta will behave in the same way again. It'll wait until we're used to talking to Threads-users and defederating Thr
... Show more...@luca @petrescatraian
The time to think about #Threads is now. Here's why.
As #Facebook has grown, its users have come to depend on it: there's a huge barrier to leaving, because that's where your friends and family are. As users have become more and more locked-in by these network effects, Facebook's behaviour has got worse and worse. Facebook exploits its users and treats them with contempt because it judges that it can get away with it, because its behaviour isn't quite bad enough to make them leave en masse.
If we let Threads gain a foothold here, #Meta will behave in the same way again. It'll wait until we're used to talking to Threads-users and defederating Threads is out of the question, and then it'll start injecting adverts into the messages it sends us. After a while, we'll find that those adverts are tailored to people mentioned on the thread. And on it'll go.
If we reach the point where most Fedi-users are on Threads, Meta will have a huge influence over the direction that Fedi takes. We will be the tail and #Zuckerberg will be the dog. Trust me, he doesn't have our best interests at heart.
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to C++ Guy • • •@CppGuy @luca @petrescatraian
Yup.
If we want to keep control of the Fediverse we need to stop depending on any single server, and especially not a vast one owned by Meta.
wendinaokland
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •