🌐 Many companies now block older browser versions from accessing their websites!
This follows many #browser makers ending updates 4 older operating systems, leaving legacy devices unable to use #web services without an #OS upgrade.
This kinda reminds me of the Java #website block by browsers a few years ago, just in reverse. (Revenge? ;)
Old #Android versions are also increasingly blocked from accessing the #Google #appstore.
Truly about security or perhaps Planned Obsolescence?
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in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •Icosmar
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in reply to Icosmar • • •Hans van Zijst
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •@MadeInDex 📰🌎 My browser gets updated regularly, but sometimes I run a version that's a few days older than the latest.
Any website that refuses to talk to me because of that, can find itself another visitor, because I won't be visiting anymore.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Hans van Zijst • • •DCKIM [toronto tech blog]
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •why would this be the case? Or does it just mean to say that older browsers are not compatible anymore? They just don't maintain the compatibility?
I could see that, it's just lazy.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to DCKIM [toronto tech blog] • • •It's a recent thing, many websites are doing it, not just one lazy one ;)
Also not about compatibility, not like these websites changed anything significantly.
DCKIM [toronto tech blog]
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to DCKIM [toronto tech blog] • • •milagemayvary
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •More websites (pretty much all) need a html only offering without the need for JavaScript to be operational, especially .gov sites
This would keep the websites accessable
I believe that we need our devices capable of running Linux so community can maintain & push newer versions of Linux to older hardware
However, Android 5 needs to be laid to rest & I am in the camp that disallowing those devices from Google Play is likely the right move for Google plus reduces potential bot nets
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to milagemayvary • • •@milagemayvary
These websites aren't even changing much afaik
HTML only would be amazing!
Linux everywhere - That would be a dream :)
Good point, however it doesn't seem right to force this stuff on people, they bought it, they own it, still companies pressuring it.
I don't believe for a second Google is doing anything for any good reason such as to stop botnets tbh
milagemayvary
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •Oh no, Google is doing it for almost purely on financial reasons. There likely is an advancing technical debt problem that gets more complex as time marches on.
I don't know if Google came out & said such a thing about botnets, I had added it at the end of that toot with a 500 character limit.
I'm also assuming your average folk will move on to newer hardware W/out Google Play.
Of course you could use Fdroid but even then some apps like newpipe are dropping Android 5 support.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to milagemayvary • • •@milagemayvary Apple too!
Yeah many people will for sure, but:
old devices can only use old os > old os can only use old browser > old browser cannot use web> poor uneducated people = screwed once again!
People who are a bit techy will use a plugin to change their user agent string though :)
OddOpinions5
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •well of course they do
why would any corporation or non profit spend a lot to maintain their website so it is accessible to the small percent of people without updated browsers ?
right ??
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to OddOpinions5 • • •Edward
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •astro-monster
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to astro-monster • • •@GhidorahX yeah definitely the best choice, but there are some use cases or laziness cases where ya don't want it, those cases getting screwed now ;)
I swear the pressure is increasing, imagine poor uneducated person not able to use the web or their device anymore...
astro-monster
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to astro-monster • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •I seriously doubt it’s for ‘security’ whatever they might claim to the contrary.
I don’t use outdated browsers (unless you count lynx at times which I guess they do) but this reminds me of trying to stop ad blockers. I am not responsible for your failing business model.
It also reminds me of paywalls.
Very few entities are so special and unique that you can’t get similar content elsewhere but they (arrogantly) believe otherwise. Only their loss.
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •that being said that’s a different thing than no longer supporting as in EOL.
There comes a point where it’s unrealistic. But to actually block - that is hostile. If they mean block in the correct definition that is.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •@xexyl yeah I would also say it's very hostile - not like anything major changed on how websites work ;)
Guess poor people with used devices and old OS are getting screwed one more time...
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •oh well. It doesn’t affect me except (I suppose) on the very rare exception that I use lynx.
Even so I have had it with Apple and especially macOS (not that iOS or iPadOS aren’t bad). It bricked my M1 Max. Thankfully I had got earlier in the year the M4 Max.
This problem was in beta but they felt it was good to make it live to remain on schedule. There’s no excuse for that. I will eventually take it to their so called ‘Genius Bar’ and see if they can fix it.
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •they actually someone pay for fixing their laptop being bricked because of their crapware. I have AppleCare so that shouldn’t happen but it’s shameful. One person reported that they couldn’t fix it.
For the first time ever I won’t be upgrading this year. Eventually I’ll have to but there’re other things I don’t like about it even besides the horrible design that hurts my eyes.
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •I read that they will be restricting connecting to networks that aren’t ‘secure’ enough.
The company that thinks it’s safe to share passwords is going to decide what is secure and what is not?
That is utterly insane. They also have no place doing it anyway.
Ironically it could also prevent fixing it if someone upgrades and suddenly can’t connect.
But in general I don’t like not being at the current release. Right now though I’m not (for macOS).
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •in a sense blocking connecting to an ‘insecure’ network is the same thing as blocking using a website with an outdated browser.
If the website doesn’t function right that’s fine. There comes a point where you can’t expect it to work right as technology advances (though I still prefer simple website designs).
And not updating an old release after a certain time is also completely reasonable.
Blocking a user with old software is quite different though.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •@xexyl Apple is such a baddy ;)
Right now with all these internet and social media laws being passed, some of these changes and blocks kinda seem perfectly timed. Not sure if you have seen this yet: reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1r…
The timing on all of this is super sus
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •@xexyl sus is what the kids use for suspicious these days ;)
Yeah Lemmy is much better!
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •well … that sounds pretty suspicious to me!
Actually by the word ‘kids’ what age group do you mean?
And when I read Lemmy I first think of Motörhead and then I think of Debian as I think that was the name of one of their releases.
I also think of lemmings and the classic game from decades ago which played with the myth that they will follow others off a cliff (I think it did? Too many lifetimes ago …).
What do you mean by Lemmy?
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •@xexyl it's just a funny way to say stuff ;)
urbandictionary.com/define.php…
Apparently from the game 'among us'
Urban Dictionary: sus
Urban DictionaryCody Boone Ferguson
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in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •well she didn’t have much a choice since it would have required spending a lot of money on new hardware and for what?
She knows that I can help her anyway. It’s a lot easier now and I don’t have to deal with Windows.
Or the having to upgrade her computer every few years.
I guess she would have preferred if she could stay where she was but that’s a very human thing isn’t it?
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •She doesn’t have to use her computer every day so that’s another reason she’s not as used to it as she might otherwise be.
But it works out well enough for her anyway.
It’s also way cheaper and faster also.
Still what I most fear is her computer starting to have trouble especially now with the insane memory costs.
She doesn’t need SSDs but even so memory is memory!
And the price of a 4TB SSD has gone to thousands! But RAM has also greatly increased in price.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •that being said: as I have not looked at what they are truly doing my comments are only applicable IFF it is truly blocking them.
Paywalls though .. well I have nothing nice to say about them and although I sometimes do say negative things I try not to; and often when I do it’s odd wording or else I am not really all that well and/or alert.
Not an excuse but it’s a reason. Difference is I admit when I was wrong and try and make amends as best I can.
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •just don’t get me started on entities with ads and whining about ad blockers.
Especially considering malvertisements!
But someone’s failing business model is not my problem. There are other ways to get money than waste system resources and interrupting everything.
YT for example: interrupting a video mid sentence. Prevents understanding and enjoying and whatever else.
But that’s another thing entirely and it’s something many people relate to: understandably.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •really the only ‘harm’ adblockers do is to those who have a failing business model or who simply want to annoy you. Often the latter do just fine so it’s equally just wanting to annoy you.
They of course would disagree but that’s their problem. I do wonder how many people actually disable ad blocking when websites tell them too. I don’t know anyone who does but I imagine that just like spammers (which it is) their manipulation gets some people. Unfortunately.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •in addition to having ad blockers I also have my own DNSBL which makes it so many ad servers show just a pixel.
There simply is no excuse for them. And as a game dev don’t tell me you need ads. There are so many ways to get players to pay (if you want - I did it for fun but I know it’s many people’s livelihood).
You can give them bonuses or extra stats or so many other things.
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •instead they played a futile game of cat and mouse.
And other games could do similar. Players will happily spend money if they get benefits that those who don’t pay extra won’t get!
Instead many games interrupt gameplay with ads or have ads at the side of the screen.
Many players would actually happily donate a bit simply because they appreciate the game!
It’s utter madness to claim that you need ads to survive.
Cody Boone Ferguson
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •but unfortunately some people don’t appreciate this. If everyone used them there MIGHT be a chance companies would try something less invasive (ads on hoardings or in a newspaper or other things obviously don’t count!) but of course not everyone does.
Still I just go somewhere else. Same with paywalls. And as for YT they make it impossible to follow things if you don’t download it and it’s not a livestream (when they don’t interrupt with ads).
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson • • •@xexyl yeah ads are real trash but in the current system it's just one of the simplest ways to make money from reach. It's slowly shifting IMO.
Yes, I know what you mean about games, the games that caught on, eventually made incredible sums, even games with purely esthetical purchases make incredible money, more than other games from selling their entire game!
BigLinter
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •lynx is not an older version.
its superior in every way
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to BigLinter • • •Jasper 🍉
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •But that too may be intentional.
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Jasper 🍉 • • •@jasper Old IPhones also seem to have these issues.
Hehe I also do wonder sometimes ;)
Li ~ Crystal System
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •you missed a secret third option, it could be their insistent on using the fancy new javascript features and so it doesn't work,
but honestly i would always prefer "a the page tries to loads but its broken" to a "no fuck you your browser is "too old" " message
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to Li ~ Crystal System • • •@Li Haha very possible, although some of the websites seem too basic for that ;)
yeah, I mean they could simply put a warning: "use at your own risk" instead ;)
MadeInDex 📰🌎
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •Some more thoughts on this:
old devices can only use old os > old os can only use old browser > old browser cannot use web> poor uneducated people = screwed once again!
It's only suggesting corporate browsers, kinda like an ad.
Actually even more than suggesting:
"Please update to the latest version OF THE FOLLOWING browsers: CHROME EDGE FIREFOX SAFARI OPERA"
Drey
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎 • • •One Pun Too Much
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