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🌐 Many companies now block older browser versions from accessing their websites!

This follows many #browser makers ending updates 4 older operating systems, leaving legacy devices unable to use #web services without an #OS upgrade.

This kinda reminds me of the Java #website block by browsers a few years ago, just in reverse. (Revenge? ;)

Old #Android versions are also increasingly blocked from accessing the #Google #appstore.

Truly about security or perhaps Planned Obsolescence?

#Tech #News

This entry was edited (2 weeks ago)
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

I mean, in 2026 IT go so fast, there are a lot of changes incoming, a lot of AI tools in both sides, develop and black hat hackers so I think it is a good idea to keep is updated.
in reply to Icosmar

@icosmar Agreed if it's as a choice, yes, but to block anybody that doesn't want to or can't update is pretty aggressive IMO
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

@MadeInDex 📰🌎 My browser gets updated regularly, but sometimes I run a version that's a few days older than the latest.

Any website that refuses to talk to me because of that, can find itself another visitor, because I won't be visiting anymore.

in reply to Hans van Zijst

@hans 👍 It's pretty stupid, good you are protesting it with your feet (or traffic) ❤
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

why would this be the case? Or does it just mean to say that older browsers are not compatible anymore? They just don't maintain the compatibility?

I could see that, it's just lazy.

in reply to DCKIM [toronto tech blog]

It's a recent thing, many websites are doing it, not just one lazy one ;)

Also not about compatibility, not like these websites changed anything significantly.

This entry was edited (2 weeks ago)
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

so these different companies are actually doing a specific version based block. that just seems so wrong to me and I don't know why they would want to have less viewership or less users
in reply to DCKIM [toronto tech blog]

@dckim super hostile, losing customers, a simple warning "your browser is out of date, use at your own risk..." would suffice!
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

More websites (pretty much all) need a html only offering without the need for JavaScript to be operational, especially .gov sites

This would keep the websites accessable

I believe that we need our devices capable of running Linux so community can maintain & push newer versions of Linux to older hardware

However, Android 5 needs to be laid to rest & I am in the camp that disallowing those devices from Google Play is likely the right move for Google plus reduces potential bot nets

in reply to milagemayvary

@milagemayvary
These websites aren't even changing much afaik

HTML only would be amazing!

Linux everywhere - That would be a dream :)

Good point, however it doesn't seem right to force this stuff on people, they bought it, they own it, still companies pressuring it.

I don't believe for a second Google is doing anything for any good reason such as to stop botnets tbh

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

Oh no, Google is doing it for almost purely on financial reasons. There likely is an advancing technical debt problem that gets more complex as time marches on.

I don't know if Google came out & said such a thing about botnets, I had added it at the end of that toot with a 500 character limit.

I'm also assuming your average folk will move on to newer hardware W/out Google Play.

Of course you could use Fdroid but even then some apps like newpipe are dropping Android 5 support.

in reply to milagemayvary

@milagemayvary Apple too!

Yeah many people will for sure, but:
old devices can only use old os > old os can only use old browser > old browser cannot use web> poor uneducated people = screwed once again!

People who are a bit techy will use a plugin to change their user agent string though :)

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

well of course they do

why would any corporation or non profit spend a lot to maintain their website so it is accessible to the small percent of people without updated browsers ?

right ??

in reply to OddOpinions5

@failedLyndonLaRouchite I mean if it doesn't work it doesn't work, but this is like a widespread thing, and very hostile for no reason IMO.
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

I also was going to say . . . "linux, anyone?" . . . FOSS with regularly updated browser . . . more or less runs on any machine up until around 20 years old and even then, will run, but needs attention.
in reply to astro-monster

@GhidorahX yeah definitely the best choice, but there are some use cases or laziness cases where ya don't want it, those cases getting screwed now ;)

I swear the pressure is increasing, imagine poor uneducated person not able to use the web or their device anymore...

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

Indeed. I was that person in '07, when Pa Apple dropped "support" for my 3 or 4 yr old MacBook . . . hardware was fine, had to get into a way to keep it going and found my way to linux, and over time increased my knowledge. Phone might be a problem area, in that Apple and others seem to lock their phones so that linux is not an option there. Even samsung, gives good support for 5 years or so, but phone is locked. Previously typed the first post on '12 MacBook Pro in Lubuntu resolute
in reply to astro-monster

@GhidorahX 😍 Lovely success story, thanks for sharing your experience! Nice FU to Bigtech :))
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

I seriously doubt it’s for ‘security’ whatever they might claim to the contrary.

I don’t use outdated browsers (unless you count lynx at times which I guess they do) but this reminds me of trying to stop ad blockers. I am not responsible for your failing business model.

It also reminds me of paywalls.

Very few entities are so special and unique that you can’t get similar content elsewhere but they (arrogantly) believe otherwise. Only their loss.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

that being said that’s a different thing than no longer supporting as in EOL.

There comes a point where it’s unrealistic. But to actually block - that is hostile. If they mean block in the correct definition that is.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl yeah I would also say it's very hostile - not like anything major changed on how websites work ;)

Guess poor people with used devices and old OS are getting screwed one more time...

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

it really depends on what is meant by 'block'. It's certainly understandable if they mean it doesn't function right, although I think a worthy goal is to let it work right anyway. The more crap they rely on (like JavaScript) the harder that might become, depending on what they do, but if it's really meant BLOCK, with the correct definition, that is messed up. EOL for updates is totally different as the older it gets the harder it is to maintain.
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

.. and that last point is why if it's meant 'doesn't function right' instead of actual block it's certainly reasonable. Though I still think far too many websites are far too flashy. Yes sometimes it can be 'nice' for drop-down menus and other things but is it worth it for extra content? Depends on the website. For companies I'm afraid it probably is. I was actually thinking at stupid o'clock today of adding menus back to my website. But ...
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

.. I just remembered why I went to what I have now: it's easier for clients that don't have a 'GUI' (or similar) interface. Though I noticed yesterday for some websites the CSS should be improved for 'menus'. And probably other things. That's a more complicated history but admittedly I hate CSS and working on websites. I however hate more all CMS and those too also require dependencies to say nothing of more adding attack vectors.
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl yeah it's pretty hostile complete blocks for no reason, somehow it suddenly is widespread. Maybe Cloudflare or something is behind it, not sure, need to look into it further :)
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

oh well. It doesn’t affect me except (I suppose) on the very rare exception that I use lynx.

Even so I have had it with Apple and especially macOS (not that iOS or iPadOS aren’t bad). It bricked my M1 Max. Thankfully I had got earlier in the year the M4 Max.

This problem was in beta but they felt it was good to make it live to remain on schedule. There’s no excuse for that. I will eventually take it to their so called ‘Genius Bar’ and see if they can fix it.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

they actually someone pay for fixing their laptop being bricked because of their crapware. I have AppleCare so that shouldn’t happen but it’s shameful. One person reported that they couldn’t fix it.

For the first time ever I won’t be upgrading this year. Eventually I’ll have to but there’re other things I don’t like about it even besides the horrible design that hurts my eyes.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

I read that they will be restricting connecting to networks that aren’t ‘secure’ enough.

The company that thinks it’s safe to share passwords is going to decide what is secure and what is not?

That is utterly insane. They also have no place doing it anyway.

Ironically it could also prevent fixing it if someone upgrades and suddenly can’t connect.

But in general I don’t like not being at the current release. Right now though I’m not (for macOS).

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

in a sense blocking connecting to an ‘insecure’ network is the same thing as blocking using a website with an outdated browser.

If the website doesn’t function right that’s fine. There comes a point where you can’t expect it to work right as technology advances (though I still prefer simple website designs).

And not updating an old release after a certain time is also completely reasonable.

Blocking a user with old software is quite different though.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl Apple is such a baddy ;)

Right now with all these internet and social media laws being passed, some of these changes and blocks kinda seem perfectly timed. Not sure if you have seen this yet: reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1r…

The timing on all of this is super sus

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

sus? All I can think of is SUS - Single UNIX Specification. No I did not see that post ... don't really pay attention to Reddit or much of anything (esp lately - not well in many ways). As for Apple those berks are going to increase prices of storage because of the memory cost crisis. Yes bad ... thankfully had to rebuild server before it started last year. But just like with petrol companies they are acting as if it affects the price of the storage they already have.
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

well … that sounds pretty suspicious to me!

Actually by the word ‘kids’ what age group do you mean?

And when I read Lemmy I first think of Motörhead and then I think of Debian as I think that was the name of one of their releases.

I also think of lemmings and the classic game from decades ago which played with the myth that they will follow others off a cliff (I think it did? Too many lifetimes ago …).

What do you mean by Lemmy?

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl it's just a funny way to say stuff ;)

urbandictionary.com/define.php…
Apparently from the game 'among us'

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

and right after announcing their amazing profits .. they are fooling nobody but themselves - if they even fool themselves. Poor sods must be struggling so much. Meanwhile the average person .. they actually do suffer the world over. But sure Tim Cook, you can't afford the memory you already have? What I fear most is my mum's computer dying ... I built it at the same time (first or right after) as I built the server: 2019. But thankfully her computer is usually off.
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

whereas obviously the server was online 24/7. I finally got her to move away from Windows .. it's a Linux instead that looks like Windows. She used a UNIX in work decades ago but you know how it might go. Still Win 11 with its rubbish ads (though some might call them other things those are just euphemisms) and also extra hardware limitations including those that would require upgrades. They can bugger off. She now uses Zorin .. still has to get used to things (this as of last year).
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

well she didn’t have much a choice since it would have required spending a lot of money on new hardware and for what?

She knows that I can help her anyway. It’s a lot easier now and I don’t have to deal with Windows.

Or the having to upgrade her computer every few years.

I guess she would have preferred if she could stay where she was but that’s a very human thing isn’t it?

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

She doesn’t have to use her computer every day so that’s another reason she’s not as used to it as she might otherwise be.

But it works out well enough for her anyway.

It’s also way cheaper and faster also.

Still what I most fear is her computer starting to have trouble especially now with the insane memory costs.

She doesn’t need SSDs but even so memory is memory!

And the price of a 4TB SSD has gone to thousands! But RAM has also greatly increased in price.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl Prices are bonkers! Wonder what the main reason is, the export limitations / price hikes on rare earth, transportation, price fixing?
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

that being said: as I have not looked at what they are truly doing my comments are only applicable IFF it is truly blocking them.

Paywalls though .. well I have nothing nice to say about them and although I sometimes do say negative things I try not to; and often when I do it’s odd wording or else I am not really all that well and/or alert.

Not an excuse but it’s a reason. Difference is I admit when I was wrong and try and make amends as best I can.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

just don’t get me started on entities with ads and whining about ad blockers.

Especially considering malvertisements!

But someone’s failing business model is not my problem. There are other ways to get money than waste system resources and interrupting everything.

YT for example: interrupting a video mid sentence. Prevents understanding and enjoying and whatever else.

But that’s another thing entirely and it’s something many people relate to: understandably.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl yeah that's some great points also, additionally adblocking also saves resources and speeds up the web for ya!
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

really the only ‘harm’ adblockers do is to those who have a failing business model or who simply want to annoy you. Often the latter do just fine so it’s equally just wanting to annoy you.

They of course would disagree but that’s their problem. I do wonder how many people actually disable ad blocking when websites tell them too. I don’t know anyone who does but I imagine that just like spammers (which it is) their manipulation gets some people. Unfortunately.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl interesting thought, I guess you could say that it is similar to an ad (everybody wonders who those work on, but they work on most subconsciously), maybe the first time doesn't work, but then people feel bad and disable or don't reinstall on a new browser... 😋
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

in addition to having ad blockers I also have my own DNSBL which makes it so many ad servers show just a pixel.

There simply is no excuse for them. And as a game dev don’t tell me you need ads. There are so many ways to get players to pay (if you want - I did it for fun but I know it’s many people’s livelihood).

You can give them bonuses or extra stats or so many other things.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

I don’t know if they still do but I know for years Blizzard fought the inevitable black market of selling/buying in game gold. Do you realise how much money they could have made if they sold it themselves? It should have been obvious immediately (and definitely after a bit of time) that they couldn’t prevent it. It doesn’t take much thought to realise that the players who bought gold would have vastly preferred buying from Blizzard rather than risk being cheated.
in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

instead they played a futile game of cat and mouse.

And other games could do similar. Players will happily spend money if they get benefits that those who don’t pay extra won’t get!

Instead many games interrupt gameplay with ads or have ads at the side of the screen.

Many players would actually happily donate a bit simply because they appreciate the game!

It’s utter madness to claim that you need ads to survive.

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

but unfortunately some people don’t appreciate this. If everyone used them there MIGHT be a chance companies would try something less invasive (ads on hoardings or in a newspaper or other things obviously don’t count!) but of course not everyone does.

Still I just go somewhere else. Same with paywalls. And as for YT they make it impossible to follow things if you don’t download it and it’s not a livestream (when they don’t interrupt with ads).

in reply to Cody Boone Ferguson

@xexyl yeah ads are real trash but in the current system it's just one of the simplest ways to make money from reach. It's slowly shifting IMO.

Yes, I know what you mean about games, the games that caught on, eventually made incredible sums, even games with purely esthetical purchases make incredible money, more than other games from selling their entire game!

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

Android OS is shit and hard to maintain for older devices, apparently...
But that too may be intentional.
in reply to Jasper 🍉

@jasper Old IPhones also seem to have these issues.

Hehe I also do wonder sometimes ;)

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

you missed a secret third option, it could be their insistent on using the fancy new javascript features and so it doesn't work,

but honestly i would always prefer "a the page tries to loads but its broken" to a "no fuck you your browser is "too old" " message

in reply to Li ~ Crystal System

@Li Haha very possible, although some of the websites seem too basic for that ;)

yeah, I mean they could simply put a warning: "use at your own risk" instead ;)

@Li
in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

Some more thoughts on this:
old devices can only use old os > old os can only use old browser > old browser cannot use web> poor uneducated people = screwed once again!

It's only suggesting corporate browsers, kinda like an ad.

Actually even more than suggesting:
"Please update to the latest version OF THE FOLLOWING browsers: CHROME EDGE FIREFOX SAFARI OPERA"

in reply to MadeInDex 📰🌎

In an ideal world we'd be able to do our important online tasks in Bash using Lynx 🙂