@spurs Bit sad to say it looks like Bluesky is gaining loads of new #coys people while not many joining Mastodon or the wider fediverse, and not many taking the simple step of following https://bsky.app/profile/ap.brid.gy to join with other #fediverse networks. Not sure what we can do to improve the situation. It's a real shame the community got fragmented by competing networks. 😕
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in reply to hallenbeck • • •yep....that's what we get for allowing the mass misinformation across Fedi when BridgyFed was announced regarding "opt-in" crap.
Any implementation that's "opt-in" is dead at the start because we can't teach everyone a lesson. That's not how this technology is supposed to work.
If every new implementation starts becoming opt-in, Fedi dies.
#Fedi #Fediverse #BridgyFed #BlueSky #ActivityPub
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in reply to hallenbeck • • •BeAware :fediverse:
in reply to Patrick • • •@ppb1701 yep, there's no such thing as "opt-in" in the AP spec.
That's not how these platforms work.
It's opt-out to the core of the protocol.
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Unknown parent • • •@jasdemi yep, the people here have a tendency to have opinions on things they know nothing about.
It's asinine behavior.
Exerra :wee:
in reply to BeAware :fediverse: • • •@jasdemi@jasdemi.com I thought about this exact thing when I woke up today and I think that these kinds of services should act like a search engine in the way that they only index posts from people who have kept the "allow posts to be indexed by search engines" toggle on.
That first of all is an opt-out system, second of all lets the user have control over it and third of all isn't hypocritical.
I think those who complain about it should be reminded of the reality that they are posting on a decentralised social media platform. Social media means that what you say will be public unless set otherwise and decentralised means there isn't one singular source which can control access.
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in reply to Exerra :wee: • • •@exerra @jasdemi I tried SO hard when this was going on, to say this as loud as possible over and over.
However, I cannot fight against huge accounts like "jdp" actively spreading the "opt-in" only misinformation rhetoric.
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in reply to BeAware :fediverse: • • •@exerra @jasdemi the only way to fight against that, is to follow and boost those who spread factual information.
I *am* growing in my Fedi circle every day, but I don't believe I can grow fast enough to fight against something like that.
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in reply to BeAware :fediverse: • • •I think that firstly, as I said, people need to realise where they are and what kind of negatives decentralisation has and second they need to stop being hypocritical.
Regarding the first point, if they want total privacy from others they should move to a centralised platform and set their profiles to private. That way they can approve everyone who wishes to see their content and the centralised platform can control access.
Regarding the second point, I feel like if they have that search engine toggle on, they're hypocrites. Why should Google and Bing have access but not others?
As you said, opt-in stuff only hurts the ecosystem and there already is a toggle for search engines, so why not use that as the opt-in/out toggle for every project like this? If Google can, why shouldn't small indie projects?