So let me get this straight. I still can't fathom it.
- Trump is a convicted felon
- Trump suggested people with disabilities ‘should just die,’ nephew reveals in memoir (source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nephew-disability-memoir-b2585139.html)
- Trump had shady ties with a convicted paedophile Epstein, allegedly used his services
- Trump is a sexist, remember "grab them by the p*ssy" locker room talk, but also lately: "ESPECIALLY a female" live on camera (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70HcVHUfDtQ)
- Trump admires dictators like Putin & Kim Jong-un
And this is not even the half of it.
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS WOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP AND WHY IN THE WORLD?
#USpol #USPolitics #Trump #Election2024 #President
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in reply to Roni Laukkarinen • • •Absolutely. I wouldn't say I'm excited that the best option from the two parties is #Trump (especially considering that he's basically in the middle of the pack if you factor in all the presidential primary candidates), but he's a good enough pick that I'm not *that* mad about it.*
*You will still catch me complaining that he was the #GOP nominee in not just 2024 but in 2016 though! 🤭 It annoys me when we fumble the bag and pass on the best possible nominees.
Roni Laukkarinen
in reply to casey is remote • • •That's your definition of "good"? Ok. Can I ask you the rationale behind this, what makes him the "best option"?
In our country someone like him wouldn't pass as a politician. There are scumbags, but not as huge as him. Many politicians are dismissed from office for incitement to violence or attending a far right event.
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in reply to casey is remote • • •Probably most exciting and important though, were his #SCOTUS appointments, who eventually overturned #RoeVWade.
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in reply to Ankas • • •@SemAntiKast TBF I never followed her campaign that closely because she didn't seem like a considerably serious contender in 2020. She was generally pitched as a progressive and I think she supported stronger gun control and universal healthcare. Both of those are pretty big problems for me, so that was all I needed to hear! 😆
TBF, maybe she's changed on some of those policies and moved closer to the center. I guess we will see.
Ankas
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Actually, there is a right to health according to WHO. In a sense healthcare in fact is a human right.
We have a great healthcare here in Finland, it's free or almost free, paid by taxpayer's money. I hear it's similar to Canada's. If illness or an accident happens (and it will), we won't be in debt for the rest of our lives.
I'm always amazed by the costs of healhcare in the USA. My son's birth costed us 127 euros in total (137 USD). In the USA I hear giving birth costs 18865 dollars by average! That's absolutely insane. I can't fathom how someone would think that system is not crooked.
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> Actually, there is a right to health according to WHO.
Then the #WHO is wrong. No one is entitled to another man's labor.
Now, I would grant you that the government must create an environment where everyone can get the healthcare they need. This is one reason why the economy is so important to me; improving it means that things like healthcare are more affordable for more people.
Linza
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in reply to Linza • • •@Linza @SemAntiKast That all sounds very nice, but we still don't have a right to anyone's labor. People should be paid for the work that they do.
#NHS employees understand this, thus the union strikes.
Linza
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in reply to casey is remote • • •@realcaseyrollins @Linza @SemAntiKast I'm happy to see what appears to be a good faith debate with people with legit opposing views here.
Just to address your point, Casey, about entitlement: I don't think anyone - even on the far left - that health care workers should not be compensated. I agree with you that no one should be expected to work for free, no matter what field they're in.
Universal healthcare is about *government-subsidized* heathcare, which means taxpayer-funded.
The problem with privatized healthcare is that far too many people cannot afford the care they need, and that results in far too many people suffering or dying just because they couldn't pay for the medicine, treatments, or services they need.
Which disproportionately impacts the bottom 99% of us. Very few people in the US can honestly say money is no object.
We see health care as a right because we all need it, and when we do need care, we're not in a position to negotiate.
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in reply to casey is remote • • •@realcaseyrollins @Linza @SemAntiKast Expensive and/or specialized care is needed regardless of whether the patient can afford it.
As a matter of principle, why should a poor person suffer while a wealthy person gets the expensive/specialized care?
To put it another way: who decides how limited resources such as specialized care are provisioned?
Is it more fair to let the market decide, and allocate those resources to the highest bidder?
Is it more fair to distribute those resources equitably among all who need them, regardless of ability to pay?
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> As a matter of principle, why should a poor person suffer while a wealthy person gets the expensive/specialized care?
My concern is that ordinary people won't have access to that care, not the rich.
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The fairest solution would probably to have a public option for baseline/standard care, a private option for higher quality/more specialized care, and for people offering specialized care to the rich, overcharge so that surplus can at least partially fund specialized care for ordinary people who can't afford it.
Linza
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in reply to casey is remote • • •@realcaseyrollins @Linza @SemAntiKast I love this!
So you support universal health care in theory, but aren't convinced it is practical, so you're against it. That support is great common ground we have.
If you're open to it, and I'm not trying to convince you here and personally but rather trying to understand where you stand on the practicality of the solution we agree we want...
What would it take for you to be convinced that universal healthcare is practical? Like, if you could wave a magic wand and get what you want, what would that magic wand have done?
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in reply to casey is remote • • •@realcaseyrollins @canterberry @SemAntiKast "due to a lack of positive examples"
Ok I'm done here... 😅
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in reply to Linza • • •@Linza @SemAntiKast How would you feel about state-run universal healthcare? Would you trust #Texas to run your healthcare?
I do think there's a possibility that state-run healthcare could work since it only gets really bad when you try to scale it up to a massive country. (Of course it's still not perfect, but no healthcare system is)
Linza
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in reply to Linza • • •@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast and every healthcare practicioner is scared shitless of what the Texas state government will do to them if it's found out that they provided healthcare of any kind to a woman.
Whereas in Finland, I go to the doc, the doc makes a recommendation, and I follow the instructions. If I need more tests, they point me to the lab and I get the tests usually on the same visit. My heart meds cost 6€ here, $50 2/?
Linza
in reply to Linza • • •@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast in Texas. And though it was nice living next to some of the best cancer hospitals in the world, I never would have had access to cancer care had I got the Big C in Houston. Those places just aren't for people whose household income is less than 200k annually, and who don't have a lawyer to deal with their insurer.
The problem isn't the state. The problem is fascism.
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in reply to Linza • • •@Linza @SemAntiKast I'll spare you of the more pointed questions I have and instead suspend my disbelief.
It sounds like, generally, the healthcare you've described is the traditional privatized model, where healthcare is covered by private insurance companies. Would you support #Texas adopting the same healthcare system as, say, #Finland?
Linza
in reply to casey is remote • • •@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast Finnish healthcare is funded entirely through tax money and administrated by municipal health authorities, so you'd be wrong. This is literally what public option healthcare is. We've got private healthcare options, but overall they are shit and the waiting times are much longer, they've just got nicer waiting rooms.
Texas is welcome to implement this system at their earliest possible convenience.
Linza
in reply to casey is remote • • •@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast The scale issue is a non-argument: the more people you have, the more resources you have, the more care you can provide. Health care absolutely scales, or there wouldn't be private commercial hospital systems, there would be individual hospitals.
And China provides one metric fuckton of public healthcare, even if we don't like their govt, their govt gets it the hell done.
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There are people whose healthcare costs for a procedure amount to $10k or more. You might be able to cover that in a smaller country, if there are only a few people who have costs that high, but if you have thousands or tens of thousands of people who need that level of care, there might be some problems.
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in reply to Roni Laukkarinen • • •@SemAntiKast I don't know a lot about #Germany's system, but #Canada is actually one of the countries I was thinking of. It's notorious for having long wait times for their healthcare. They've been telling their citizens to kill themselves now because they can't afford to take care of everyone as promised.
But, I suppose to @Linza's point about the #NHS, much of this is probably due to corruption, which #Canada is also rife with.
Roni Laukkarinen
in reply to casey is remote • • •Isn't @WTL from Canada, is this true? That sounds absurd, I don't buy that generalization.
I've heard nothing but good about Canada's health care system. It sounds similar to ours. I've heard in Germany and Sweden it's quite similar too, mostly funded by taxes and free for low-income families and mostly free for the rest of the people. @Linza
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in reply to Roni Laukkarinen • • •@WTL @Linza I'd gathered some sources before posting but didn't think I'd need them lol, I had to go back through my tabs & open them back up.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2023
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2023/12/26/canadian-health-care-leaves-patients-frozen-in-line/
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/canadians-face-longest-health-care-wait-times-on-record
Canadian Health Care Leaves Patients Frozen In Line
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in reply to Roni Laukkarinen • • •@realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social @Linza I am Canadian. I’m not sure what I'm being asked about.
Healthcare plans vary widely, the federal government is (partially) responsible for funding it, provinces administer it, so levels of service can vary from province to province (which is dumb in my opinion; healthcare should be healthcare).
In provinces with "conservatives" in power, there's a general push to a two-tier system; public and paid. The only in favour of this are the companies who would profit.
Roni Laukkarinen
in reply to WTL • • •@WTL Thanks for the answer! @realcaseyrollins claims Canada is notorious of having long wait times and I'm not sure if you can generalize it like that.
https://noauthority.social/@realcaseyrollins/112847518952247125
Other than this, sounds a bit similar than in Finland. We also have a conservatiove government right now who want to push it to more private side.
@Linza
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in reply to Roni Laukkarinen • • •@realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social @Linza
Wait times for service here are a legitimate concern - no one *wants* to sit in a hospital waiting room for hours. I've done it myself, but I can honestly say that every person that was seen before me was in worse shape than I was.
Healthcare should be free for all, period.
Also worth noting that the Frasier Institute is a right-wing think tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Institute
Public policy think tank
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Snowshadow
in reply to Roni Laukkarinen • • •In Ontario, there are a lot of problems especially if you are one of the millions who don't have a primary care physican, in that case you have to go to a walkin clinic and wait hours and hopefully before the doctors quit for the day you will be seen, or you can go to the ER.
However, if you pay to subscribe to a private clinic you will be seen quickly. Some areas the ER waits are over a day long. Some areas the ERs are shutting down part time.
@WTL @realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social @Linza
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in reply to Linza • • •@Linza @SemAntiKast See, and you would think this should work. I think this should work, but it rarely delivers on this promise:
> everyone gets seen.
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There are people who have to wait months for routine procedures, and end up going to the #USA for them. TBF, I haven't heard people complaining about this in #Sweden's system (I should study it more though), but even in the #UK, where I would expect universal healthcare to scale without widespread problems or issues, the #NHS seems like it's falling apart.
Roni Laukkarinen
in reply to casey is remote • • •@realcaseyrollins Swedish health care is really close to Finnish. It's largely tax-funded. And the overall quality is high.
@Linza @SemAntiKast
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Yes, it's a weird country.
via https://x.com/patdubois/status/1346845988200169472
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in reply to Roni Laukkarinen • • •it's an amazing case study for how far to the extreme right Conservatives have gone in the USA.
Fifteen, Twenty years ago, even for Conservatives, any one of the dozens of terrible things Trump has done would have been enough to be immediately and completely disqualifying.
And yet now .......
I was convinced long ago. There's nothing he could do to get these people to vote for anyone else.
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The fundamental attraction of Trump is that he makes being an asshole feel great again. So pretty much the school bully culture is into him. And of course white nationalists.
Those folks are in the minority in the US, but there's a big pro-asshole culture, and we don't *really* elect our president by popular vote.
Sara Joy :happy_pepper:
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if you want women to be only allowed sex in marriage and be punished if they conceive when they didn't want to have a baby, Trump's your man.
If you believe people different to you should not be allowed the same opportunities as you, Trump's your man.
If you believe the hardships you endured were a right of passage that everyone should have to endure, Trump's your... you get it I'm sure.
In 2016 people held their noses to vote for him to overturn Roe Vs Wade. Now they love him? 🤷
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