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#Trump #uspol #uspolitics #president #election2024
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I'm voting for #Trump! ✋🏾 He's not as great as the #MAGA cult says he is and has his issues, but his first term was pretty good and I doubt his second term will be that much worse. It certainly will be better than another term of someone like #KamalaHarris 🫣
#Trump #maga #kamalaharris
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@realcaseyrollins For real though?
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Absolutely. I wouldn't say I'm excited that the best option from the two parties is #Trump (especially considering that he's basically in the middle of the pack if you factor in all the presidential primary candidates), but he's a good enough pick that I'm not *that* mad about it.*

*You will still catch me complaining that he was the #GOP nominee in not just 2024 but in 2016 though! 🤭 It annoys me when we fumble the bag and pass on the best possible nominees.

#Trump #GOP
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That's your definition of "good"? Ok. Can I ask you the rationale behind this, what makes him the "best option"?

In our country someone like him wouldn't pass as a politician. There are scumbags, but not as huge as him. Many politicians are dismissed from office for incitement to violence or attending a far right event.

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For sure. I think the thing I like best about #Trump is that, while he doesn't understand the importance of controlling government spending unfortunately, he does understand how to stimulate economic growth. We saw this both with his wide-ranging tax cuts, as well as greenlighting the #KeystoneXL pipeline.
#Trump #keystonexl
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With keeping the #USA safe from foreign threats, he continued #Obama's efforts to fight terror abroad by concluding some of his initiatives like the war on #ISIS, banning travel from specific countries, as well as by limiting #Iran's ability to fund terror groups, and at home by starting work on the border wall.
Probably most exciting and important though, were his #SCOTUS appointments, who eventually overturned #RoeVWade.
#USA #Iran #scotus #obama #isis #RoeVWade
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While I'd argue that there isn't a ton of work left to do, having him back in office could potentially help the #USA bounce back and recover from our current economic recession by continuing his previous policies.
#USA
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@realcaseyrollins That is not the only task president has. And he is by far not the best option for it. His foreign policy was something of a sort I myself could not travel to USA. Now I don't even want to.
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Neither party is known for picking the best option as their nominee, as mentioned before I am prone to grumble about this from time to time.
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@realcaseyrollins ANYONE is better than Trump. I'd pick someone from the street. Completely disagree, but I can respect your stance. Thanks for the discussion.
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@realcaseyrollins And what do you mean by "somebody like"? What's your issue with her?
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@SemAntiKast TBF I never followed her campaign that closely because she didn't seem like a considerably serious contender in 2020. She was generally pitched as a progressive and I think she supported stronger gun control and universal healthcare. Both of those are pretty big problems for me, so that was all I needed to hear! 😆

TBF, maybe she's changed on some of those policies and moved closer to the center. I guess we will see.

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@realcaseyrollins Well, I am European, so we are used to universal health care over here. The systems in each country are a bit different (I think in Finland there are health clinics whereas in Germany you pick your own GP who then refers you to specialists) but no matter who you are, if you are between jobs, between apartments, you get the medical care you need. For me that is a human right and I cannot fathom why anybody should have a problem with that.
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@SemAntiKast Healthcare isn't a human right, but I think I know what you mean, that everyone should have access to the healthcare that they need. I agree with that, which is why I support privatized healthcare over single-payer healthcare. (Ironically the #USA's healthcare isn't truly privatized but that's a conversation for another day.)
#USA @Ankas
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Actually, there is a right to health according to WHO. In a sense healthcare in fact is a human right.

We have a great healthcare here in Finland, it's free or almost free, paid by taxpayer's money. I hear it's similar to Canada's. If illness or an accident happens (and it will), we won't be in debt for the rest of our lives.

I'm always amazed by the costs of healhcare in the USA. My son's birth costed us 127 euros in total (137 USD). In the USA I hear giving birth costs 18865 dollars by average! That's absolutely insane. I can't fathom how someone would think that system is not crooked.

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> Actually, there is a right to health according to WHO.

Then the #WHO is wrong. No one is entitled to another man's labor.

Now, I would grant you that the government must create an environment where everyone can get the healthcare they need. This is one reason why the economy is so important to me; improving it means that things like healthcare are more affordable for more people.

#WHO @Ankas
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast Roads don't ever turn a profit, even tollroads. The school that taught you to read and argue trite Randian vomit was funded all or in part by taxes. It's not an issue of entitlement, it's called civilization. We build so that the next person can build on what we've done, and the next, and the next. Any political system that breaks that down to 'individual' wants to steal that legacy from your ancestors.
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@Linza @SemAntiKast That all sounds very nice, but we still don't have a right to anyone's labor. People should be paid for the work that they do.

#NHS employees understand this, thus the union strikes.

#nhs @Ankas @Linza
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast No one is working for free in the Finnish healthcare system either, what farmer's field did you borrow this strawman from?
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@realcaseyrollins @Linza @SemAntiKast I'm happy to see what appears to be a good faith debate with people with legit opposing views here.

Just to address your point, Casey, about entitlement: I don't think anyone - even on the far left - that health care workers should not be compensated. I agree with you that no one should be expected to work for free, no matter what field they're in.

Universal healthcare is about *government-subsidized* heathcare, which means taxpayer-funded.

The problem with privatized healthcare is that far too many people cannot afford the care they need, and that results in far too many people suffering or dying just because they couldn't pay for the medicine, treatments, or services they need.

Which disproportionately impacts the bottom 99% of us. Very few people in the US can honestly say money is no object.

We see health care as a right because we all need it, and when we do need care, we're not in a position to negotiate.

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@canterberry @Linza @SemAntiKast That's a fair take, and a legitimate downside of the privatized system. My concern with public care is that either it might not be able to support expensive and specialized care in cases where it's needed, or corruption may deplete the quality and availability of even routine procedures.
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@realcaseyrollins @Linza @SemAntiKast Expensive and/or specialized care is needed regardless of whether the patient can afford it.

As a matter of principle, why should a poor person suffer while a wealthy person gets the expensive/specialized care?

To put it another way: who decides how limited resources such as specialized care are provisioned?

Is it more fair to let the market decide, and allocate those resources to the highest bidder?

Is it more fair to distribute those resources equitably among all who need them, regardless of ability to pay?

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@canterberry @Linza @SemAntiKast

> As a matter of principle, why should a poor person suffer while a wealthy person gets the expensive/specialized care?

My concern is that ordinary people won't have access to that care, not the rich.

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@canterberry @Linza @SemAntiKast

The fairest solution would probably to have a public option for baseline/standard care, a private option for higher quality/more specialized care, and for people offering specialized care to the rich, overcharge so that surplus can at least partially fund specialized care for ordinary people who can't afford it.

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@realcaseyrollins @canterberry @SemAntiKast this is called single-payer / public option healthcare and is exactly what you've been trying to argue against for the last few hours.
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@Linza @canterberry @SemAntiKast I didn't mean to infer that I support this as a policy, my apologies if I did. If we insulate our discussion to only discuss pure theory rather than practicality, universal healthcare would be the correct choice. This does not mean it would be best/work well at a large scale in practice.
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@Linza @canterberry @SemAntiKast I'll support the fairest solution that can practically work. That doesn't mean that it would be the fairest solution that theoretically exists.
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@realcaseyrollins @Linza @canterberry @SemAntiKast Umm, public healthcare works PRACTICALLY and today far better than the current system in the US. And that is not a matter of opinion but a fact.
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@canterberry @SemAntiKast Hmm. The only instance of universal healthcare being employed at a comparable scale that I know at least a little about is the healthcare system of #Canada. #China was mentioned earlier; does it provide a higher level of care than the #USA, in general?
#USA #China #canada @Ankas @Devin Canterberry
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@realcaseyrollins @Linza @SemAntiKast I love this!

So you support universal health care in theory, but aren't convinced it is practical, so you're against it. That support is great common ground we have.

If you're open to it, and I'm not trying to convince you here and personally but rather trying to understand where you stand on the practicality of the solution we agree we want...

What would it take for you to be convinced that universal healthcare is practical? Like, if you could wave a magic wand and get what you want, what would that magic wand have done?

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@canterberry @SemAntiKast I think what it would take is a first world nation of equal, similar or comparable scale employing universal healthcare, with better health outcomes and lower wait times than what we see now in the #USA. Even a country as small as #Canada could be used as an example.
#USA #canada @Ankas @Devin Canterberry
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@canterberry @SemAntiKast We do see it work reasonably well in smaller countries in #Europe, so I wouldn't be opposed to universal state-run healthcare, but I'm unconvinced that it works well at a national scale in the #USA due to a lack of positive examples.
#Europe #USA @Ankas @Devin Canterberry
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast I'm a Texan in Finland, ask me about the healthcare if you are interested. I have seen both places.
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@Linza @SemAntiKast How would you feel about state-run universal healthcare? Would you trust #Texas to run your healthcare?

I do think there's a possibility that state-run healthcare could work since it only gets really bad when you try to scale it up to a massive country. (Of course it's still not perfect, but no healthcare system is)

#texas @Ankas @Linza
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast Bold of you to assume the Texas government already doesn't run health care while I'm there. The Finnish system is better because fascist petrostate oligarchs haven't been diligently brainwashing people into bringing their ideology to work with them. In the US, I was unable to access appropriate healthcare because it was hilariously expensive, I was born with scoliosis so insurance companies hated me 1/?
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast and every healthcare practicioner is scared shitless of what the Texas state government will do to them if it's found out that they provided healthcare of any kind to a woman.

Whereas in Finland, I go to the doc, the doc makes a recommendation, and I follow the instructions. If I need more tests, they point me to the lab and I get the tests usually on the same visit. My heart meds cost 6€ here, $50 2/?

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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast in Texas. And though it was nice living next to some of the best cancer hospitals in the world, I never would have had access to cancer care had I got the Big C in Houston. Those places just aren't for people whose household income is less than 200k annually, and who don't have a lawyer to deal with their insurer.

The problem isn't the state. The problem is fascism.

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@Linza @SemAntiKast I'll spare you of the more pointed questions I have and instead suspend my disbelief.

It sounds like, generally, the healthcare you've described is the traditional privatized model, where healthcare is covered by private insurance companies. Would you support #Texas adopting the same healthcare system as, say, #Finland?

#texas #finland @Ankas @Linza
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast Finnish healthcare is funded entirely through tax money and administrated by municipal health authorities, so you'd be wrong. This is literally what public option healthcare is. We've got private healthcare options, but overall they are shit and the waiting times are much longer, they've just got nicer waiting rooms.

Texas is welcome to implement this system at their earliest possible convenience.

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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast The scale issue is a non-argument: the more people you have, the more resources you have, the more care you can provide. Health care absolutely scales, or there wouldn't be private commercial hospital systems, there would be individual hospitals.

And China provides one metric fuckton of public healthcare, even if we don't like their govt, their govt gets it the hell done.

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@Linza @SemAntiKast That makes a lot of sense in theory, but if you have a lot more people, you will also have a lot more patients who require extremely expensive care.
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@Linza @SemAntiKast

There are people whose healthcare costs for a procedure amount to $10k or more. You might be able to cover that in a smaller country, if there are only a few people who have costs that high, but if you have thousands or tens of thousands of people who need that level of care, there might be some problems.

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@realcaseyrollins How do you explain Canada and Germany then? @Linza @SemAntiKast
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@SemAntiKast I don't know a lot about #Germany's system, but #Canada is actually one of the countries I was thinking of. It's notorious for having long wait times for their healthcare. They've been telling their citizens to kill themselves now because they can't afford to take care of everyone as promised.

But, I suppose to @Linza's point about the #NHS, much of this is probably due to corruption, which #Canada is also rife with.

#Germany #canada #nhs @Ankas @Linza
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Isn't @WTL from Canada, is this true? That sounds absurd, I don't buy that generalization.

I've heard nothing but good about Canada's health care system. It sounds similar to ours. I've heard in Germany and Sweden it's quite similar too, mostly funded by taxes and free for low-income families and mostly free for the rest of the people. @Linza

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@realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social @Linza I am Canadian. I’m not sure what I'm being asked about.

Healthcare plans vary widely, the federal government is (partially) responsible for funding it, provinces administer it, so levels of service can vary from province to province (which is dumb in my opinion; healthcare should be healthcare).

In provinces with "conservatives" in power, there's a general push to a two-tier system; public and paid. The only in favour of this are the companies who would profit.

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@WTL Thanks for the answer! @realcaseyrollins claims Canada is notorious of having long wait times and I'm not sure if you can generalize it like that.

https://noauthority.social/@realcaseyrollins/112847518952247125

Other than this, sounds a bit similar than in Finland. We also have a conservatiove government right now who want to push it to more private side.

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@WTL @Linza I'd gathered some sources before posting but didn't think I'd need them lol, I had to go back through my tabs & open them back up.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2023

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2023/12/26/canadian-health-care-leaves-patients-frozen-in-line/

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/canadians-face-longest-health-care-wait-times-on-record



Canadian Health Care Leaves Patients Frozen In Line

This year, Canadian patients faced a median wait of 27.7 weeks for medically necessary treatment from a specialist after being referred by a general practitioner.
Sally Pipes (Forbes)

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The situation is more complex than that. We don't have enough family doctors, so people are forced to go to the ER if they need help in the same week (or month!). If you're bleeding all over the floor, you won't wait long. But a migraine? Or a broken wrist? Better be ready for 8-20 hours wait @WTL @realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social @Linza
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@realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social @Linza

Wait times for service here are a legitimate concern - no one *wants* to sit in a hospital waiting room for hours. I've done it myself, but I can honestly say that every person that was seen before me was in worse shape than I was.

Healthcare should be free for all, period.

Also worth noting that the Frasier Institute is a right-wing think tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Institute

Public policy think tank

Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)
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In Ontario, there are a lot of problems especially if you are one of the millions who don't have a primary care physican, in that case you have to go to a walkin clinic and wait hours and hopefully before the doctors quit for the day you will be seen, or you can go to the ER.
However, if you pay to subscribe to a private clinic you will be seen quickly. Some areas the ER waits are over a day long. Some areas the ERs are shutting down part time.

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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast If you have thousands or tens of thousands of people who need specialized care, you have a proportionately higher number of taxpayers and specialist doctors. That's also how private insurance works-- many people pay in while healthy, so a percentage who have bad health later can access those funds. But in private healthcare, lots of that money is distributed as profits to shareholders.
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast Private healthcare must turn a profit, that is, take some of the money from the pot and put it in shareholders' pockets. The municipal governments are forbidden from turning a profit, and money paid to healthcare must be used on healthcare. As a result, the system is stable, hospitals stay open in rural areas, and everyone gets seen.
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@Linza @SemAntiKast See, and you would think this should work. I think this should work, but it rarely delivers on this promise:

> everyone gets seen.

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There are people who have to wait months for routine procedures, and end up going to the #USA for them. TBF, I haven't heard people complaining about this in #Sweden's system (I should study it more though), but even in the #UK, where I would expect universal healthcare to scale without widespread problems or issues, the #NHS seems like it's falling apart.

#uk #USA #sweden #nhs @Ankas @Linza
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@realcaseyrollins Swedish health care is really close to Finnish. It's largely tax-funded. And the overall quality is high.

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fuck that im in portugal wile i can have insurance and have hospital private room wit jacuzi i will always fight for the homeless to have it all for free
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@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast I’ve understood that US spends more on healthcare and delivers much less compared to us, so you know, baffling.
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it's an amazing case study for how far to the extreme right Conservatives have gone in the USA.

Fifteen, Twenty years ago, even for Conservatives, any one of the dozens of terrible things Trump has done would have been enough to be immediately and completely disqualifying.

And yet now .......

I was convinced long ago. There's nothing he could do to get these people to vote for anyone else.

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