So.... apparently Threads is asking users after 30 days if they want to keep Fediverse on.
I hope this is simply an analytics thing that they're tracking to see how many users keep it on and not some sort of "hey...nudge nudge....you might wanna turn that off...." kinda thing....
I still have my doubts about Threads federation even though I am more positive about it than others. I really hope they don't make me defederate. That will make me sad.
Update here: https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware/112312313160804986 🤦♂️🤬
#ActivityPub #Fedi #Fediverse #Threads #Meta #Mastodon
And here it is, the dark pattern at work....this threads integration is starting to go badly already....🤦♂️🙄edit: and here's a threads engineer purposefully misconstruing the definition of dark patterns in a reply to me. https://social.beaware.live/@beaware.live@threads.net/112312317899201996 🤬
#Fedi #Fediverse #Threads #EEE #Meta #ActivityPub
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There it is...the dark pattern at work already....yep. this Fediverse integration is losing me🤦♂️this is how you lose trust guys....this is how you get blocked by 80% of Fedi, even if you have good intentions because this is shady as hell...Threads
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Owl!🦉
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •Yep, we all know that despite his contributions to the feddiverse, which are good and valid, mark zuckerberg is still VERY SUS and his true motives are unclear 🤔
Let's wait and see
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in reply to Owl!🦉 • • •Owl!🦉
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •> It's not a good place for LGBTQ community
Why?
> EEE
Yeah, that's personally the thing that bothers me the most. What makes it especially dangerous is that we need to somehow define what would be the "red line" after crossing which it would be safe to say that the meta is trying to EEE feddiverse.
BeAware :veriweed:
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in reply to Owl!🦉 • • •C.W. Smith
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in reply to C.W. Smith • • •C.W. Smith
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •And here it is, the dark pattern at work....this threads integration is starting to go badly already....🤦♂️🙄
edit: and here's a threads engineer purposefully misconstruing the definition of dark patterns in a reply to me. https://social.beaware.live/@beaware.live@threads.net/112312317899201996 🤬
#Fedi #Fediverse #Threads #EEE #Meta #ActivityPub
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Vivi Nella Verita
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Vivi Nella Verita • • •Vivi Nella Verita
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in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Vivi Nella Verita • • •Patrick
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •Dude’s delusional, that’s the same as my iPhone going “App XYZ has been using your location for whatever. Do you wish to allow it to continue?” <options>
it’s designed to make you think or second guess it.
The question is if they are going to do that, then why federate at all?
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in reply to Patrick • • •Oliver D. Reithmaier
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Oliver D. Reithmaier • • •Patrick
in reply to Oliver D. Reithmaier • • •@odr_k4tana Oh I figured they’d <bleep> it up or do something dastardly/shady….I just was hoping to be wrong 🤷🏻♂️
It’d be nice to actually have them or google, etc not wreck something potentially good for once you know?
Oliver D. Reithmaier
in reply to Patrick • • •Methinks mine perished a long time ago.
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Oliver D. Reithmaier • • •@odr_k4tana @ppb1701 When there's very little personal risk, hope is easy for me. There's nothing that they can do "negatively" TO me, just crappily "integrate" AP, but that's just annoying. So at best, I was hoping that I wouldn't be annoyed, now I am. They can still fix it by federating completely, but I am annoyed.
Others have a lot more at stake, like the LGBTQ community and such communities that get ridiculous attacks towards them. I acknowledge that they need to be protected from that and that's fine. For me, I don't have those problems to face.
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to David Boles • • •David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to David Boles • • •@david it's the link in my 2nd post. This one.... https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware/112312313160804986
BeAware :veriweed:
2024-04-22 01:38:15
SomeAnoTooter
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •Nizar Kerkeni 🇹🇳 نزار القرقني
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •Luca Sironi
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •what's even the benefit for a normal threads user to keep it on, if they can't get back interactions.
I simply don't get who ever can have a use case for this one way thing
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Luca Sironi • • •@luca they get likes but yeah....that's the dark pattern, they implement a shitty version that's a shell of it's actual use case, then ask their users if they're "sure they still want ActivityPub on, because nothing you post ever gets deleted!!!! Is there anything good about it? Who knows?!?"🤦♂️
If someone is told the negatives and never the positives while getting lied to about the actual full interoperability that Fediverse should have, then yeah, I'd feel it was useless too....good thing I'm not learning from Meta.🤬
BeAware :veriweed:
Unknown parent • • •@AAKL @david either that, or SERIOUSLY bad PR....however. I did have some of these concerns quelled by the CEO of a completely different company. 🤦♂️
Mike McCue, CEO of Flipboard, had a talk with me yesterday about how it might be a data law issue. Like GDPR, there are a few different data laws around the world that companies have to deal with that are a legal nightmare.
Meta isn't operating Threads in the EU right now for this very reason, however, they are still operating in California which has CCPA. here's a link to that discussion. https://flipboard.social/@mike/112317517766956422
I'm still not dealing with Meta after their interaction because why didn't they just answer like Mike? Seems like a pretty simple, straight forward answer that I can understand
... Show more...@AAKL @david either that, or SERIOUSLY bad PR....however. I did have some of these concerns quelled by the CEO of a completely different company. 🤦♂️
Mike McCue, CEO of Flipboard, had a talk with me yesterday about how it might be a data law issue. Like GDPR, there are a few different data laws around the world that companies have to deal with that are a legal nightmare.
Meta isn't operating Threads in the EU right now for this very reason, however, they are still operating in California which has CCPA. here's a link to that discussion. https://flipboard.social/@mike/112317517766956422
I'm still not dealing with Meta after their interaction because why didn't they just answer like Mike? Seems like a pretty simple, straight forward answer that I can understand completely.
Mike McCue
2024-04-22 23:41:51
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@AAKL
That's an interesting conversation! Threads has to be all in on Fediverse or they lose all companion authority.
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SomeAnoTooter
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
Unknown parent • • •David Boles
in reply to SomeAnoTooter • • •@SomeAnoTooter @AAKL
There was a big discussion on Threads a day or two ago about these "30 Day Popup" warnings and the people who know say they're a legal requirement in Europe. They're just following the law in providing those access warnings.
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@SomeAnoTooter @AAKL
The 30 Day Pop Up isn't a big deal. Ads are coming to threads in a couple of months. Threads can be a good Twitter killer.
Reading threads and interacting there is dead -- I have no idea how some people have 130K followers.
One woman joked this morning that without the Bots, she'd have no followers. She was posting posed butt photos, and I wanted to ask if she mean "Bots" or "Butts!" but I didn't.
I don't think you can BUY Threads followers right now anyway.
BeAware :veriweed:
Unknown parent • • •@AAKL @david @SomeAnoTooter I have about 30 followers there but I was only there to push Fediverse. My big issue was that they have been going "Fedi bad, we have to tell people Fedi bad because it's bad!" And saying nothing about the GOOD of it. It's liked planned obsolescence or something else that I don't have the specific term but it's not in good faith.
Everything I usually saw there that wasn't from direct searches I did, was from the For You feed which tbh, isn't that bad of an algorithm.
Aida Akl
in reply to David Boles • • •David Boles
Unknown parent • • •@AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
The problem is how will Mastodon catch the hive mind and grow? They want that and they need that but the disbursement of ideas across thousands of servers hurts that coalition, especially with politically active server admins.
If you need to verify your identity -- for say, getting access to an Artist account -- you have to use one of the major social media companies. Mastodon isn't even an option. That was a hard, stinging, reality for me to accept last week.
Aida Akl
Unknown parent • • •David Boles
Unknown parent • • •After 18 months of being exclusively on Mastodon; I was sort of forced back into the mainstream social media platforms because of my music distribution. I've turned on all the old sites again and the interaction there: Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Threads (new!), Instagram, TikTok just slaughter any sort of interactive community in the Fediverse. There's a reason those social media services are hard to kill -- they work! That's where the people are!
Aida Akl
Unknown parent • • •SomeAnoTooter
Unknown parent • • •Taran Rampersad
in reply to David Boles • • •@david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter well...
You're trying to sell stuff. Nothing wrong with that, it's not a criticism.
Have your sales gone up for your effort?
(Yes: Great! The people on there buying your stuff is good, and I sincerely congratulate you because, yes.
No: well, that's awkward.)
I'm not selling anything. I share ideas and learn from others. I have thousands of followers on other networks, I have few here. I prefer it here because less people are trying to sell me stuff.
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
Threads really seem to be pushing how much more action they have now than Twitter.
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to David Boles • • •@david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter I've never had an issue finding decent people and discussion there, it's a pretty good mainstream Fedi alternative for non-LGBTQ folks I think. If you don't care about their data selling stuff😬
I can say good stuff about it, but none of the good stuff has to do with Fedi, which is where my disconnect is, because this is my platform. I want Fedi to succeed, which is why I LOVE Flipboard and Mike's transparency on their integration and issues along the way. They are THE example of how a company should be when embracing the Fediverse.
BeAware :veriweed:
Unknown parent • • •Aida Akl
Unknown parent • • •David Boles
in reply to Aida Akl • • •@AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
I understand. It all depends on features and wants and needs. If you have any desire to find the mainstream mind, you won't find it on Mastodon. That doesn't mean smart or stupid -- it only means people who are on social media are settled, and of a certain age, they know what they like, and getting them to move takes more than the Mastodon ideal that we are are seeking here together. They want frictionless friends and predictability. Mastodon does not offer that.
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
I completely agree with you. I just wish you hadn't left Threads. You can't change what you don't control.
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
Threads is shouting into the abyss. It's sad, really. Unless, of course, you're one of the cool kids who works for Threads. Then people won't leave you alone!
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in reply to David Boles • • •Taran Rampersad
Unknown parent • • •@david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter good for you. I'm glad you found what you wanted. 🙂
I found what I wanted here. Good luck to you! 🙂
David Boles
in reply to Taran Rampersad • • •@knowprose @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
For me, it's more about accountability. People should be who they are, and own what they say online -- wherever that might be. A lot of the mainstream social services offer/require ID in order to take full advantage of their services.
Plus, I worked on my Facebook Page for years. Got it verified the old fashioned way -- I earned it! (Ha! John Houseman) -- and now that my page is turned on again a flood of all the old people like me are electrified!
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
It's okay for people to dismiss you. You win if you stay. We all lose when their effort to brush you off, is successful.
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to David Boles • • •@david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter nah, it's not worth it for me, is my point. I'm here, this is where I want to be and the place I want to succeed. If they turn it on eventually in good faith then fine, I'll be able to interact with their users from here, but that interaction just made me not care.
I have my people here. I love it here, but if they don't federate, it won't do me any good to be there anyway🤷♂️
David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@AAKL @SomeAnoTooter
Make sure you delete your Threads account! I keep getting prompted to follow you even though I know you quit.
BeAware :veriweed:
Unknown parent • • •David Boles
Unknown parent • • •You have to start all over again when you change Mastodon servers. Your previous messages don't travel with you and they never will. Few people know that when they sign up. That's a problem!
Hacker Factor
Unknown parent • • •@david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter If you don't like how your mastodon admin manages the system, then you can always switch to a different mastodon service operated by a better admin. (There's a simple "click to move" button.) Or you can run your own and be your own admin.
In contrast, if you don't like the TikTok admin (and their ties to China's government), well, suck it up. And if you want to use Twitter/X, then you must accept Musk and his spontaneous mood swings.
David Boles
Unknown parent • • •But Mastodon is run by one person. Your server Admin. Get on the wrong server, you might now see half the stuff available because it's being blocked.
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in reply to David Boles • • •Udo B.
in reply to David Boles • • •@david @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter according to https://fediverse.one/display/fdc30534-2766-2e54-bdbb-959060800589 #Mastodon is run by 22.000 admins. "Threads" being only one of them...
fediverseobserver
2024-04-28 13:53:01
m@thias.hellqui.st :verified-skull:
in reply to David Boles • • •Do you often revisit your own old posts from, say, 4 months ago? Or 7 months ago? Or 15 months ago? I don’t, so for me it isn’t much of a problem. Just trying to understand the use cases for going back to your own old posts.
Edit: clicked send too early.
@hackerfactor @AAKL @SomeAnoTooter @BeAware
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David Boles
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •@m @SomeAnoTooter @AAKL @hackerfactor
I feel the same way. As an author and a publisher, I like to keep what I wrote. On the majors, that's easy! I can search and find out what I sad on what day -- years ago!
On Mastodon, running my own instance, but managed by someone else -- I'm close to my storage limits. So, either I delete old content, and the length of Federation, or I pay double a month what I'm paying now if I want to keep my history alive. More retention = more money!
BeAware :veriweed:
Unknown parent • • •Aida Akl
in reply to David Boles • • •m@thias.hellqui.st :verified-skull:
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •I’m just thinking that me knowing you’d like to move away from Mastodon to a more usab…feature-rich Fediverse service, but you don’t due to not being able to bring all your old posts, and making that important because of a possible theoretical benefit to unknown others, basically means you punish yourself for no real reason. 😆
If you on the other hand took the leap today it wouldn’t take long to both re-publish (and pin) the posts that link to your other assets/online stuff, and it also wouldn’t take long to have filled the new place with enough content that it would end up higher in any search result for those topics.
Go on. Come to the dark side. We have cookies! 🤣
@david @SomeAnoTooter @AAKL @hackerfactor
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