Finally sitting down to watch/listen to the podcast with Mike Mccue, CEO of Flipboard, and Ryan Barrett, creator of BridgyFed.
This should be good!😁
So cool to see the leaders in this space share info and help each other make this the best social media project it could be! 1/?
Link: https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=TtVtQOHl9DY
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Building Bridges to the Fediverse, with Ryan Barrett
The beauty of an open system is that anyone can build on top of it and try to make it a better place. In the fediverse, software engineer Ryan Barrett is one such developer.Flipboard | Invidious
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BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •Ryan made a pretty good point around the 16 minute mark about how Threads wasn't told to make their federation "opt-in" from the Fediverse side and that people feel differently about bridges for some reason.
Even though, they're the same thing, in most ways. 2/?
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damon
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to damon • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •So, at the 29 minute mark, Ryan talks about how Mastodon's search discoverability feature is currently opt-in and there's only 5-6% of people currently opting-in. That's a wild statistic!😬 3/?
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BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •This video is SO good! Anyone who is interested in Fediverse nuances and the issues we've been debating for months now, should definitely watch this video! 4/?
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Charlie
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed: reshared this.
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Charlie • • •@cdp1337 I really hope you enjoy it as much as I did.👍
I'd be interested in hearing your opinion afterwards if you wouldn't mind spending the time!
Charlie
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •They were chatting about "quote posting", I have no idea WTF they're referring to. Is it using `> ` to create a blockquote in a message? I don't know... probably some twitter term hence why I wouldn't know it.
They chat about the Bluesky bridge; I still fail to see why there's a bridge that's needed in the first place. They developed a social media platform with the intent to be federated; just use the already accepted standards instead of trying to reinvent it themselves. It's like Novell trying their hardest to push IPX when IP was already in place, then additional software translation needing to be built to support this arbitrary protocol.
5% search selection sounds about right. Mastodon has a lot of work needed to improve the UX, this stat is indicative of that; most users don't even realize there's a "Settings" section of any of their accounts.
37min: I'm sorry, I can't do long-form content on Mastodon? Have you SEEN some of my articles? Some of them are pretty damned lengthy! They're correct that it's server centric, but fail to go into the tidbit that i
... Show more...They were chatting about "quote posting", I have no idea WTF they're referring to. Is it using `> ` to create a blockquote in a message? I don't know... probably some twitter term hence why I wouldn't know it.
They chat about the Bluesky bridge; I still fail to see why there's a bridge that's needed in the first place. They developed a social media platform with the intent to be federated; just use the already accepted standards instead of trying to reinvent it themselves. It's like Novell trying their hardest to push IPX when IP was already in place, then additional software translation needing to be built to support this arbitrary protocol.
5% search selection sounds about right. Mastodon has a lot of work needed to improve the UX, this stat is indicative of that; most users don't even realize there's a "Settings" section of any of their accounts.
37min: I'm sorry, I can't do long-form content on Mastodon? Have you SEEN some of my articles? Some of them are pretty damned lengthy! They're correct that it's server centric, but fail to go into the tidbit that it's open source, so the operator can choose to modify the software to allow for things like long-form content.
39min: Eh? Wasn't the idea with Threads and Bluesky to be federated platforms from the get-go? Or were they originally just aiming for the traditional (and failing) monolithic centralized concept? If bluesky wasn't originally federated, but added it afterwards, that's even more irritating that they didn't use a published standard for a new feature.
He reminds me of a buddy of mine who built an eCommerce bridge application to cross sell/dropship between Amazon and Ebay. I don't know how I feel about that...
I still don't understand WTF Flipboard is; it appears to just be Yahoo news, ie: a bunch of public news articles plopped on a page... How is that federation? Is it considered federated as Wordpress has a federated plugin where blog posts can be sent to users directly via follow requests? Clicking "follow" on a topic just takes me to the register page on Flipboard...
56min Yeah, the dude in the red shirt has a good point, how "federated" follow count and "internal" follow count is a little awkward. Why is there a differentiation between federation system, (at least when possible).
Their lack of split screen feels off. Why does each speaker require full screen one-at-a-time when they're having a conversation with each other? It would feel much more natural if they were side by side as they were conversing.
Yeah... probably not quite the feedback you were interested in, but those were my thoughts as I was listening to the video.
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Charlie • • •@cdp1337 🤷♂️ you're just much more negative about the platform in general, it seems. Your opinions are yours friend. They don't bother me and obviously you have a right to have them.
For the Bridge issue, though. It's not like Ryan is working for BlueSky and can make the choice to use ActivityPub on the platform or not. He's doing it BECAUSE he doesn't have that choice, he doesn't work for anyone. He's doing it so he can follow users there. Which is the goal of the ActivityPub protocol in the first place, so that's how he's using it.
Charlie
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •Yeah, I don't have an issue that he's making a bridge or how that bridge handles opt-in / opt-out; I have an issue that he needs to make a bridge in the first place.
Bluesky should have implemented ActivityPub when they rolled out federation. THEIR software should handle .....
OH, wait.... does Bluesky just not _want_ to federate or something?
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Charlie • • •@cdp1337 probably not. So fuck them, we're making them.
it's opt-in right now anyway, so even if there was some "care" about if they consent, they currently have to. But personally, I don't give a fuck, they should federate because I shouldn't have to go to another platform to follow someone.
They have this claim over there of decentralization, but they quite literally have no such thing. They have "federation" if you wanna call it that. The only thing they're "federating" though, are user accounts, from what I can tell. Posts and other "content" are centralized.
Charlie
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •..... yeah, that's fucking useless. That's just twitter with a reskin.
But from a corporation standpoint, that move makes sense. Why allow users the freedom to choose where they reside? You are just losing market share (and thus losing stock valuation, which we all know is the only thing most corporations give a fuck about).
BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to Charlie • • •vetehinen
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •BeAware :veriweed:
in reply to vetehinen • • •vetehinen
in reply to BeAware :veriweed: • • •Threads only pushes to the fediverse and doesn't take anything in right now so there is nothing to opt-in to for us currently. It's true they might not start asking even when this becomes bidirectional but not sure. I hope they won't make it opt-in tbh.
But when it comes to how it works now I don't see the difference between Threads and this Bluesky bridge. Just like you can run into posts from Threads without having followed any Threads account you can still run into posts from Bluesky here despite not having opted in to the Bridgy fed bridge.
BeAware :veriweed:
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